PREMIER PARKING FINES - Collection notices

mooks175

Hi,
I am hoping for some urgent help, apologies for long post.
My daughter (student) parked a car (not hers) and purchased ticket for the intended period. Returning before expiry, she found a ticket on the car.
The pay and display ticket had flipped over on the dashboard - not sticky type.:(
She emailed Premier parking with a copy of the valid ticket and asked for it to be reasonably cancelled as there was not intent to deprive them of parking fees. This was rejected as a ticket was not displayed. Photos have been shared of the car with the flipped over ticket in the dashboard.
She following various advices chose not to pay.
The debt collectors are now chasing her aggressively. She once again wrote back to premier parking and the debt collector asking for the ticket to be cancelled, as there was no intention to avoid fees and they had been evidenced as paid, stating also that she has no source of income as a student, and already in debt. Again rejected. Payment of £160 is required.

So one last point. their sign in the car park says a ticket must be displayed. It does not say a valid ticket must be displayed. So really she could argue the point, moot as it may be, we can argue that this is the intention, however my daughter also had no intention to deprive the car parking business of reasonable fees,

Should she pay this ticket? - I know the court is likely to be a lottery, but getting any payment from my daughter is going to be difficult at this time.
3 Options she is given by debt collectors
1. pay in full, 2. offer a payment plan, 3. take legal advice and Go to court.

Don't want it to go to court and risk affecting her future credit rating. alternative is to say she will pay £1 per week because that is all she can afford with no income to make it difficult for them.

Umkomaas

Now well beyond any appeal stage. While this shouldn't have been ignored initially, it is now the time to ignore everything short of real court papers.

Debt collectors can't instigate court proceedings, only the PPC or their solicitors.

Where people get this idea of going to court affects future credit rating - it's pure hysteria, and what PPCs and debt collectors thrive on. First you'd have to lose at court, then the judge would have to award costs with a deadline of a month to pay (or agree a payment plan), then you'd need to refuse to pay - only then do your worries kick in.

There's nothing much you can do now other than pay or see what the PPC's next move is.

Please read the NEWBIES FAQ sticky, particularly post #4 about debt collectors - the stage your daughter is at currently.

If she gets court papers, come back again on this thread. We can help with a court defence.

Which 'Premier Parking' is this?

Premier Park Ltd
Premier Parking Logistics
Premier Parking Solutions Ltd

We can then give you some idea of potential court proceedings.

Half_way

In brief:
Do not pay, or even think of paying the over inflated charge
Read the sticky thread
Complain to the landowner
Do not identify the driver or give any hints such as wife sister, husband, brother etc

fisherjim

"Payment of £160 is required."

No it isn't that figure has been inflated by £60 by the greedy nasty Debt collectors for the fun of sending out bullying letters.

Eventually they will give up and slide back under the stone they live under.

It will then go back down to the original fee anyway and you may or may not get a court threat from the ppc not debt collectors.

Follow Umkomaas advise.

Coupon-mad

The debt collectors are now chasing her aggressively. She once again wrote back to premier parking and the debt collector asking for the ticket to be cancelled, as there was no intention to avoid fees and they had been evidenced as paid, stating also that she has no source of income as a student, and already in debt. Again rejected. Payment of £160 is required.

The debt collectors are writing letters, nothing 'aggressive', stop jumping when they say jump!

The_Deep

If it were to get to court the PPC would struggle. Judges often find for the motorists in flipped ticket cases.

Had this been a council ticket they most would probably cancel the PCN on appeal, (see MC46)

http://www.cheshireeast.gov.uk/car_parks_and_parking/penalty_charges/how_to_appeal_against_a_pcn/mitigating_circumstances.aspx.

mooks175

Hi,
Thank you for the multiple replies.
the company is Premier Parking Solutions Limited.

Meanwhile, my daughter spoke to the debt collector (Debt recovery Plus ltd). they will not accept any low payment plan.

So it sound like we wait and I guess they will threaten actions further.
From my perspective, there has been no loss to the provider of the parking service and that has been evidenced to them. looks like they just want to get 40 times the payment amount as good prfit, plus the DRP charges.

Half_way

A few additional points:
Never speak to so called debt collection companies in relation to parking charges
The loss issue is almost dead in the water
Have you complained to the landowner yet?

mooks175

Not to the land owner yet. I need to find that information, presumably from premier parking.

My point about loss was around a number of cases that are cited by debt collectors where the motorist had lost were about loss because of overstaying etc. i.e. taking up a space you have not paid for, in my opinion it does not apply here.

Thanks.

pappa_golf

mooks175 wrote: »

Not to the land owner yet. I need to find that information, presumably from premier parking.

My point about loss was around a number of cases that are cited by debt collectors where the motorist had lost were about loss because of overstaying etc. i.e. taking up a space you have not paid for, in my opinion it does not apply here.

Thanks.

not s cat in hells chance , town hall , planning and ask who pays the buisness rates on the land in question

Coupon-mad

mooks175 wrote: »

Not to the land owner yet. I need to find that information, presumably from premier parking.

My point about loss was around a number of cases that are cited by debt collectors where the motorist had lost were about loss because of overstaying etc. i.e. taking up a space you have not paid for, in my opinion it does not apply here.

Debt collectors spout lies and they do not have records of 'cases lost' either at POPLA or in court because DR Plus cannot take these to court. Their threats are toothless.

PPS could litigate, theoretically, but it's almost unheard of. Stop replying. Stop trying to put forward your reasonable argument, no point.

Meanwhile, my daughter spoke to the debt collector (Debt recovery Plus ltd). they will not accept any low payment plan.

DO NOT phone them ever again! Big error. IGNORE THEM.