Liam Fox: UK may stay in EU Customs Union

ruggedtoast

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

https://www.ft.com/content/f2f8b090-c511-11e6-9043-7e34c07b46ef

Which would, among other things, put Liam Fox out of a job as we'd have to comply with all EU trade deals and could not vary tariffs to make our own trade deals.

So just to recap....

The leavers basically wanted just a handful of things out of Brexit.

1) Significantly reduced immigration

2) Ability to do our own free trade deals with the rest of the World

3) See 1 & 2 (and add in some incoherent mutterings about control, corruption, failed union, ECJ, Federal Superstate, Army, Euro , blah, blah, blah...)

We now have David Davis admitting that mass immigration (even of low skilled people) will continue so that UK business doesn't face labour shortages, and Liam Fox admitting pulling out of the Customs Union is maybe not such a good idea after all.

Anyone care to compare those admissions to their pre-referendum statements?:rotfl:

What about the £350 million a week the NHS was going to get.

Surely the haven't backtracked on that too, surely?

I mean, if they did that would mean that the Leave campaign was a fabrication of lies that will leave us with all the downsides of being in the EU, while not actually being on the EU.

Shocking.

Masomnia

ruggedtoast wrote: »

What about the £350 million a week the NHS was going to get.

Surely the haven't backtracked on that too, surely?

I mean, if they did that would mean that the Leave campaign was a fabrication of lies that will leave us with all the downsides of being in the EU, while not actually being on the EU.

Shocking.

It was announced in Osborne's emergency budget after the vote.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

ruggedtoast wrote: »

What about the £350 million a week the NHS was going to get.

Surely the haven't backtracked on that too.

Well in Hammond's recent autumn statement - the costs of leaving the EU were identified at £417m per week - whereas as we all know the net costs of staying in the EU are under £150m per week.

So it's probably no surprise that this government has confirmed the NHS will not be getting a single extra penny of the £8.5bn annual EU membership fee - but instead will now see [STRIKE]cuts[/STRIKE] efficiency savings of £20bn.

MPD

Isn't Hammond a remoaner? More project fear?

Does being Chancellor make you an expert? If so safe to ignore!

Ballard

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

Hamish stop telling us what you think we wanted. We wanted OUT of the EU what happens after that is then open for negotiation.

The government is just fannying around at the moment.

As I understand it most Brexiteers wanted out for specific reasons. The three main reasons were to stop paying into the EU, to stop FOM and to stop 'being controlled by Brussels'.

It has been mooted by the government that we may continue to contribute financially and that a level of FoM may continue. If either or both of these things do happen then logically it would seem reasonable to assume that a number of those who voted to leave would be unhappy.

That said, it's all conjecture at this point. There's a chance that we will end up without FoM, paying into the EU or abiding by the rules. It's largely pointless to continue to argue the toss at this stage. I'm just here because I'm bored at work in the run up to Christmas.

Moby

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Well in Hammond's recent autumn statement -

the costs of leaving the EU were identified at £417m per week - whereas as we all know the net costs of staying in the EU are under £150m per week.

So it's probably no surprise that this government has confirmed the NHS will not be getting a single extra penny of the £8.5bn annual EU membership fee - but instead will now see [STRIKE]cuts[/STRIKE] efficiency savings of £20bn.

This should be tatooed on the head of every brexiter and then they should be told to stand in the corner until supper....which would consist of a plate of humble pie:mad:......but of course they all knew exactly what they were voting for we are told....!

Herzlos

Ballard wrote: »

That said, it's all conjecture at this point. There's a chance that we will end up without FoM, paying into the EU or abiding by the rules. It's largely pointless to continue to argue the toss at this stage. I'm just here because I'm bored at work in the run up to Christmas.

I very much agree. However I'm willing to make a prediction now:

Once we leave the EU, we'll still have to pay in, still have FoM and still have to follow the vast majority (>80%) of EU rules, because we'll remain part of the single market & customs union.

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

I very much agree. However I'm willing to make a prediction now:

Once we leave the EU, we'll still have to pay in, still have FoM and still have to follow the vast majority (>80%) of EU rules, because we'll remain part of the single market & customs union.

that is very possibly true because we basically have a 'remain' government, a 'remain' parliament, a 'remain ' establishment all of whom will do all they can to prevent us leaving.

Ballard

Herzlos wrote: »

I very much agree. However I'm willing to make a prediction now:

Once we leave the EU, we'll still have to pay in, still have FoM and still have to follow the vast majority (>80%) of EU rules, because we'll remain part of the single market & customs union.

I do happen to share your view but only time will tell. If we are correct then we would have to live with Brexiteers complaining about loss of democracy despite the fact that in the UK democracy means voting for an MP and having them make the decisions in parliament. Even then they'd have fulfilled the requirement of the referendum by leaving the EU.

Herzlos

Ballard wrote: »

I do happen to share your view but only time will tell. If we are correct then we would have to live with Brexiteers complaining about loss of democracy despite the fact that in the UK democracy means voting for an MP and having them make the decisions in parliament. Even then they'd have fulfilled the requirement of the referendum by leaving the EU.

I think a large and vocal group of Brexiteers are going to complain whatever happens, because they aren't going to get anything that they want (sticking it up the establishment, more money, less foreigners, more sovereignty etc).

CLAPTON wrote: »

that is very possibly true because we basically have a 'remain' government, a 'remain' parliament, a 'remain ' establishment all of whom will do all they can to prevent us leaving.

It couldn't be because that's the deal that's most aligned to everyones interest in well being? Will you claim anything short of WTO terms is a remainer stitch-up?

It seems to be you Vs the experts, and I know we're in a post-factual society, but can all of these experts be wrong?