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Undelivered package

Hi,
I ordered 2 items from pandora with tracked secure next day delivery, upon tracking the item a day later it says it was delivered and signed for by my name. This couldnt have happened because i live on a military base so it would have gone to the post room, the postroom was closed at the time and all alternate delivery places have been checked. UPS arent been helpful and pandora wont help because it was signed for. Does anyone have any ideas
Thank you :mad:
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  • naedanger
    naedanger Posts: 3,105 Forumite
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    Hi,
    I ordered 2 items from pandora with tracked secure next day delivery, upon tracking the item a day later it says it was delivered and signed for by my name. This couldnt have happened because i live on a military base so it would have gone to the post room, the postroom was closed at the time and all alternate delivery places have been checked. UPS arent been helpful and pandora wont help because it was signed for. Does anyone have any ideas
    Thank you :mad:

    How did you pay for the items e.g. credit card, debit card etc? And if by credit card was the price of each of the items that have gone missing over £100?
  • I paid by debit card and yes each item was £120
  • naedanger
    naedanger Posts: 3,105 Forumite
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    I paid by debit card and yes each item was £120

    Ask your bank to do a chargeback with the reason being the items were never received. Provide them with a copy of your proof.

    Read the following for background info:

    http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/shopping/visa-mastercard-chargeback

    The advantage of a chargeback is that if the bank refuse you can complain, ultimately to the independent Financial Ombudsman Service, if necessary. (However this is quite a slow process.)
  • LadyDee
    LadyDee Posts: 4,293 Forumite
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    Hi,
    I ordered 2 items from pandora with tracked secure next day delivery, upon tracking the item a day later it says it was delivered and signed for by my name. This couldnt have happened because i live on a military base so it would have gone to the post room, the postroom was closed at the time and all alternate delivery places have been checked. UPS arent been helpful and pandora wont help because it was signed for. Does anyone have any ideas
    Thank you :mad:

    Ask UPS to provide a copy of the signature?
  • bris
    bris Posts: 10,548 Forumite
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    The problem the OP has is that it is shown as tracked delivery so a charge back will automatically fail for this reason.
  • DigForVictory
    DigForVictory Posts: 12,118 Forumite
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    So route it to fraud instead?
  • naedanger
    naedanger Posts: 3,105 Forumite
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    bris wrote: »
    The problem the OP has is that it is shown as tracked delivery so a charge back will automatically fail for this reason.

    If the bank "automatically" fail the chargeback then the OP needs to complain to their bank that they have unfairly rejected his chargeback. The OP then needs to follow the bank's formal complaint process (which they are obliged to have). Ultimately, if necessary the OP can take their complaint to the Financial Ombudsman Service, who will certainly properly investigate the matter. Given the OP has good evidence they should get their money back eventually.
  • naedanger wrote: »
    If the bank "automatically" fail the chargeback then the OP needs to complain to their bank that they have unfairly rejected his chargeback. The OP then needs to follow the bank's formal complaint process (which they are obliged to have). Ultimately, if necessary the OP can take their complaint to the Financial Ombudsman Service, who will certainly properly investigate the matter. Given the OP has good evidence they should get their money back eventually.

    Gosh, but I sympathise with OP - but I am not sure he does have 'good evidence'. These cases are notoriously difficult to prove, particularly where, as here, someone orders an item knowing they cannot accept delivery in person. Unless he gave specific instructions about where it had to be delivered and who exactly could sign for it, it may be extremely tricky.

    I'd put in a formal complaint to the courier company now, politely but clearly setting out the issue and asking them to check with the courier who exactly accepted delivery of the package and whereabouts on the base the acceptance took place. Relevant link for form: https://www.ups.com/upsemail/input?loc=en_gb
  • naedanger
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    edited 14 December 2016 at 2:23AM
    Tealblue wrote: »
    Gosh, but I sympathise with OP - but I am not sure he does have 'good evidence'. These cases are notoriously difficult to prove, particularly where, as here, someone orders an item knowing they cannot accept delivery in person. Unless he gave specific instructions about where it had to be delivered and who exactly could sign for it, it may be extremely tricky.

    I'd put in a formal complaint to the courier company now, politely but clearly setting out the issue and asking them to check with the courier who exactly accepted delivery of the package and whereabouts on the base the acceptance took place. Relevant link for form: https://www.ups.com/upsemail/input?loc=en_gb

    In my view, he is wasting his time speaking to the courier company as they have no obligation to help him as he has no contract with them. Furthermore it is for the retailer to prove (on the balance of probability) that the item was delivered, and not for him to prove it wasn't.

    The retailer will find it difficult to prove they delivered the item if they didn't. For example they are likely to find the courier does not have an accurate signature. And the courier will need to say where and when, approximately it was delivered. Which should give the op further chances to discredit the courier's assertion that the item was delivered to the op.

    I suggest the op initiates a chargeback to get the ball rolling. (There is likely to be a dispute but the truth should come out eventually.)
  • Lisbon
    Lisbon Posts: 415 Forumite
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    naedanger wrote: »
    In my view, he is wasting his time speaking to the courier company as they have no obligation to help him as he has no contract with them. Furthermore it is for the retailer to prove (on the balance of probability) that the item was delivered, and not for him to prove it wasn't.

    UPS does deal with the intended recipient of a parcel, so it is certainly worth his while making the complaint now and also making the same complaint to Pandora. It's important to do so quickly while events are still reasonably fresh in the mind of whoever claims to have delivered the package.

    If this is a military base, surely there will be security issues and thus some sort of track on someone claiming to be a courier and leaving a parcel? At a time of high security, simply having a uniform and a liveried van won't ensure you are waved through any checkpoints.
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