Feeling pressured into paying tenancy renewal fees every 6 months

G_M

rtho782 wrote: »

..... told them if they hadn't forced a 6 month renewal and fee on me, they would have gotten notice as I'd have been on a rolling contract.

That's actually a very good point for LLs to bear in mind, and for tenants to remind them of.

The difficulty is that generally agents don't care about a void (down time) - they get more fees for swapping tenants (from both LL & tenant) than for managing an ongoing tenancy.

At least until the law changes.

It's LLs who suffer if there's a void or a tenant change-over, not agents.

Pixie5740

always_sunny wrote: »

TBH - I don't think there was any petty squabbling; even the post you are directing doesn't answer the question.
What happens if 2A cannot be met/achieved?


It gives the impression (and it's often given in this forum) that it's a walk in the park and it's possible, but what happens if there is no agreement and the LL won't budge? It goes into


The OP has already received the letter before so it's not absurd to assume that if they put their foot down this time (they didn't before), instead of ending up with a STP they may end up with an eviction notice. We are talking about eventuality in a country were evictions are reaching record highs.

Jesus wept! I don't know how we can make it any clearer to you. It was even explained to you in your own thread earlier this year. I don't know what it is you don't get.

That link you provided has nothing to do with letting agents threatening tenants with Section 21 notices if tenants don't sign a new fixed term. There is a world of difference between a letting agent issuing a section 21 and a landlord acting upon it.

I don't think your ill-informed scaremongering is going to help the OP.

always_sunny

Pixie5740 wrote: »

Jesus wept! I don't know how we can make it any clearer to you. It was even explained to you in your own thread earlier this year. I don't know what it is you don't get.

That link you provided has nothing to do with letting agents threatening tenants with Section 21 notices if tenants don't sign a new fixed term. There is a world of difference between a letting agent issuing a section 21 and a landlord acting upon it.

I don't think your ill-informed scaremongering is going to help the OP.

I get it, I get it alright; you know what happened to me on my own thread? After saying no, I got issued a S21 giving me 2 months to leave the property.
Yes I could have stayed put, courts, etc but eventually I would have to leave! In my case as I was buying, staying 2 weeks in a temp accommodation was not a problem at all. For the OP if they need references and they're renting privately, being forced out by courts is not going to look great as a reference.

I am afraid you're the one not getting it that these things do happen, otherwise it would not be a problem, GET IT? Though I understand why there are so many evictions in England/Wales, cause most be heaps of people following your advice and leaving in la-la land.

Yes it is possible to have periodic tenancies if the LL agrees it, if the LL does not, then there are only fixed term.

Miss_Samantha

always_sunny wrote: »

I get it, I get it alright; you know what happened to me on my own thread? After saying no, I got issued a S21 giving me 2 months to leave the property.
Yes I could have stayed put, courts, etc but eventually I would have to leave!

You are assuming that receiving a notice means that the landlord will evict you through the courts.

It may just be a way to scare you into complying. It worked in your case.

always_sunny

Miss_Samantha wrote: »

You are assuming that receiving a notice means that the landlord will evict you through the courts.

It may just be a way to scare you into complying. It worked in your case.

I am over this. Though reading comments from this thread like yours, it really make me understand why the rental market in the UK is so disastrous. On one side LL maybe sneaky getting tenants to stay with ongoing rent increase, etc but at the same some tenants can be a major pain.

In my case (back then) after receive the usual blurb from the EA I did speak with the LL directly (actually as it happened twice, I did in both occasions) and the LL politely asked me to stop contacting him directly and that he wished to have a new AST drafted through the EA, take it or leave it offer.

You are suggesting in same way that I should ignore what the LL say and just stay put.
The LL (as the legal owner of the property) can decide (following the rules) to take possession of the property with no much say from the tenant. It's not about scaring the tenant to comply, it's more the fact that the tenant is not the legal owner and once the process starts, whether in 2, 6 or 12 months, eventually highly likely there will be an eviction.

I understand that there are SPT (never argued otherwise) but you also have to understand that in some circumstances these are not a possibility and LL through EA are very proactive in making sure it doesn't happen.

After the LL (via the EA) scared me to comply using a S21 as you say it, there were inspections (within the AST terms) for new tenants, etc In my case, staying put has very little benefit because the chances of being rehoused by a local authority are next to none so the only thing it would achieve is having no references for the next rental.

Honestly (as I am over it) I really see this as a double edged sword creating a vicious cycle. The more tenants are difficult the more LL resort to be sneaky until there's a breaking point so maybe that's where the rental market is heading in England/Wales.

*rant is over*

marksoton

rtho782 wrote: »

I hate it when LLs/LAs do this. There is no need.

I had one that did this once, I did it the first time, but the second I delayed and delayed until the day before the end of the fixed term, then moved out with no notice (as you don't have to give any to leave at the end of the fixed term).

LL and LA were both furious as they would have a down time. I pointed out why I did it and told them if they hadn't forced a 6 month renewal and fee on me, they would have gotten notice as I'd have been on a rolling contract.

I own now anyway, but the ban on LA fees cannot come fast enough.

And that sir, is why they don't like it up em!

Fireflyaway

I know how you feel. When I first rented 14 years back it was easy. Few fees and we just moved in. Today I got a notice to leave current place and have arranged some viewings for a new place on monday. Oh my goodness. A holding deposit if its more than 3 weeks till you move in, tenancy arrangement fees, rent in advance, 2 months rent deposit, check in fees, reference fees, fees to check with current landlord....! Will be lucky to get change from £4500. No wonder there are so many homeless people. Of course this had to be paid before the current deposit is returned as well.

Miss_Samantha

always_sunny wrote: »

I am over this. Though reading comments from this thread like yours, it really make me understand why the rental market in the UK is so disastrous.

That's just life. It's all shades of grey.

It is the same when you negotiate your salary or promotion.

It is the same when you negotiate to buy a car or a house.

It is a game of poker.

ToyIla

Update:

Still getting texts and emails through from my estate agent about renewing our tenancy. I'm going to quote from the email, see what you guys think of how they're wording this:

"Upon checking our records, I note that you have not yet confirmed whether you intend to remain or vacate the Property and therefore the fixed term has not yet been secured.

If you do not wish to extend your tenancy, I would kindly ask that you inform us as soon as possible to allow time to make the required arrangements to terminate your tenancy, re-market the property and return deposits where applicable. If this is the case, please email your notice to terminations@countrywide.co.uk.

Please be aware that if there is less than one month before the expiry of your tenancy, and you have not confirmed your intentions, your local branch may take steps to remarket the property."


Is it just me or are they strongly implying we can't go onto a rolling contract?

Guest101

ToyIla wrote: »

Update:

Still getting texts and emails through from my estate agent about renewing our tenancy. I'm going to quote from the email, see what you guys think of how they're wording this:

"Upon checking our records, I note that you have not yet confirmed whether you intend to remain or vacate the Property and therefore the fixed term has not yet been secured.

If you do not wish to extend your tenancy, I would kindly ask that you inform us as soon as possible to allow time to make the required arrangements to terminate your tenancy, re-market the property and return deposits where applicable. If this is the case, please email your notice to [EMAIL="terminations@countrywide.co.uk"]terminations@countrywide.co.uk[/EMAIL].

Please be aware that if there is less than one month before the expiry of your tenancy, and you have not confirmed your intentions, your local branch may take steps to remarket the property."


Is it just me or are they strongly implying we can't go onto a rolling contract?

Look it's simple:


Ignore them and you may be able to stay on


Pay it and you can definitely stay on