This is Boris

movilogo

People blame Leave campaigns for not having a plan for Brexit.

Cameron offered referendum and as a PM he should have plan for it (he already had the resource and budget for it). The idiot didn't think Leave would win and when the unthinkable happened, he ran away.

Rinoa

mayonnaise wrote: »

It was advisory, end of.
The European Union Referendum Act 2015 made no provision for the result to be legally binding on the government or on any future government.
The fact that you chose to ignore (or not understand) this, is neither here nor there.
I also pointed this out to you before the referendum result was known, so you can't claim ignorance.

"We're offering you a referendum on whether you'd like to leave the EU ~ but if you don't vote the way we expect, we'll completely ignore your wishes.


The elites arrogance is breathtaking

mrginge

mwpt wrote: »

all politicians are snakes

Thanks. It's good to see your desire for a tolerant, equitable and inclusive society doesn't extend to politicians.

Hardly the view I would expect from a 'world citizen' though.

FWIW I think there are some very good politicians, even if I disagree with their views. You may find that surprising coming from a stupid, racist, boomer (or leave voter if you prefer the general term)

mwpt

Are you sure you're not a politician mrginge? My guess is that you've progressed through life by bullying your way around by picking on small things that other people might say but are unimportant to the real picture, then making them seem like the important issue and "look how wrong this guy is", so that you appear to be better at what you do than you are.

I could be wrong, but it does seem to be what you do here.

mrginge

mwpt wrote: »

Are you sure you're not a politician mrginge? My guess is that you've progressed through life by bullying your way around by picking on small things that other people might say but are unimportant to the real picture, then making them seem like the important issue and "look how wrong this guy is", so that you appear to be better at what you do than you are.

I could be wrong, but it does seem to be what you do here.

So we have a thread (which you started) which is all about specific statements (that you have selected) from an individual and your analysis of the meaning of those statements.

And you are complaining when someone else (I.e me), does exactly the same as you did - selects a specific part of your comments and challenges you on the meaning or appropriateness of them.

The real issue here is that you can't see beyond your own hypocrisy.

wotsthat

Rinoa wrote: »

People change their minds.

Usually after a re-assessment of the data available.

Boris changes his mind according to which way the wind blows.

mwpt

mrginge wrote: »

So we have a thread (which you started) which is all about specific statements (that you have selected) from an individual and your analysis of the meaning of those statements.

So, stick to those statements instead of trying to direct the thread in an unimportant direction of your choosing because it is a way for you to argue without actually arguing.

I think I'm right about you btw.

Daniel54

Not for the first time,the problem with Boris' recent assertion is that it is completely untrue.Not a good failing to parade when Foreign Secretary.

Under 'PRINCIPLES' Article 3 of the Treaty of Rome 1957, which established the EEC, clearly states as an activity of the Community " the abolition,as between Member States,of obstacles to freedom of movement for persons,services and capital "

http://www.gleichstellung.uni-freiburg.de/dokumente/treaty-of-rome

CLAPTON

Daniel54 wrote: »

Not for the first time,the problem with Boris' recent assertion is that it is completely untrue.Not a good failing to parade when Foreign Secretary.

Under 'PRINCIPLES' Article 3 of the Treaty of Rome 1957, which established the EEC, clearly states as an activity of the Community " the abolition,as between Member States,of obstacles to freedom of movement for persons,services and capital "

http://www.gleichstellung.uni-freiburg.de/dokumente/treaty-of-rome

of course we haven't abolished obstacles for freedom for services: does this make these principles untrue or doesn't it matter as it was an asperation

padington

mwpt wrote: »

I had little opinion about this man prior to the referendum but he has since become someone I actively dislike. I mean, all politicians are snakes but this man is just an out-and-out liar.

A few days after the referendum, Boris writes:


In the words of one of the most prominent leave campaigners, immigration was apparently not the primary issue. Soothing your own conscience Boris? Of course, people will twist his words to mean that control means control of immigration, I expect this and will not respond to that. Just read his paragraph again, his message above was clear. "It was mainly not about immigration".

Then in the same article:


A duplicitous little soundbite. So can young people easily go and study abroad or not Boris? Can they retain the same level of access as their parents? What about that couple who are close to retirement and wanted to move somewhere in Europe as part of the EU with full privileges of an EU citizen?

But Boris has changed his tune. These are his most recent views:


Back-tracking of note. Sounds like it was about immigration all along eh Boris?

I wonder if he feels the same when people from Yorkshire move to London?

It was about control, control of how many guests you feel you don't really know that can enter your home. Control and a sense of autonomy is a key emotional human need and to be fair, Europe will never survive trying to tell its sovereign states they can't have control over this and I say that as a remainer.

Europe needs to let sovereign states have control over immigration otherwise the next country leaving will be Germany.