Self employed but not!

elsien

Is she expecting you to pay for the DBS as well?
You are having the DBS check.....?

Takeaway_Addict

ScorpiondeRooftrouser wrote: »

Which was my original point that you decided to disagree with.

"Anyone who will do what she is doing is clearly not fit to be a childminder. What you should do is - I can't say resign as you don't have a job, but stop - and report her. "

Not really, you're saying she should stop and report her regardless of her own personal circumstance. I am saying otherwise.

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

Not really, you're saying she should stop and report her regardless of her own personal circumstance. I am saying otherwise.

Yes you are saying she (if they are a she) should abet in breaking the law, endanger children and assist in illegally driving down wages in her industry as long as it suits her own personal interests at the time. Understood.

That's why I'm letting you know I will steal your television as long as it ends up with me being better off. It's what I should do, after all.

Takeaway_Addict

ScorpiondeRooftrouser wrote: »

Yes you are saying she (if they are a she) should abet in breaking the law, endanger children and assist in illegally driving down wages in her industry as long as it suits her own personal interests at the time. Understood.

That's why I'm letting you know I will steal your television as long as it ends up with me being better off. It's what I should do, after all.

I've not encouraged endangering children and you will note in a previous post I have said protection is most important. However, otherwise yes you are correct but with the caveat as soon as they can they get out and dob the employer in.

Its very easy to say don't do it when you have money, for all we know the OP absolutely needs this money so to say not to go along with it is absurbed. In an ideal world the OP dobs them in and doesn't take the job but at a detriment to herself its incredibly difficult to do.

We clearly disagree so lets leave it there.

SailorSam

Op did you see the secret undercover filming of Amazon drivers, that was on Bbc earlier. They were self-employed; some were working 7days a week; up to 15hrs a day and only earning between £2 and £4 per hour. Many were waiting weeks and weeks to get any money and were owed hundreds.

sangie595

SailorSam wrote: »

Op did you see the secret undercover filming of Amazon drivers, that was on Bbc earlier. They were self-employed; some were working 7days a week; up to 15hrs a day and only earning between £2 and £4 per hour. Many were waiting weeks and weeks to get any money and were owed hundreds.

And despite this they have no shortage of drivers! The problem the OP has has been well explored - if they are desperate for the money then they will do it, no matter how unlawful the terms may be. But as a self-employed person they would bear the full force of the law in relation to child safety if anything were to go wrong. And an employer who cuts corners on employment cuts them on everything else. But the OP won't have the luxury of saying that it was all the employers fault. Any more than, if one of those drivers has an accident because they are too tired to drive, they can blame Amazon for it.

dktreesea

SailorSam wrote: »

Op did you see the secret undercover filming of Amazon drivers, that was on Bbc earlier. They were self-employed; some were working 7days a week; up to 15hrs a day and only earning between £2 and £4 per hour. Many were waiting weeks and weeks to get any money and were owed hundreds.

So is the Amazon flex advertising false advertising? They claim drivers can make £13 to £15 an hour if they have their own vehicle.
https://flex.amazon.co.uk/

bugslet

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

The OP needs to do what is best for them this exact moment, if it is to work at £5 an hour and the do the reporting after then it is this.

ScorpiondeRooftrouser wrote: »

Fair enough, I will come round your house and take your television then, as that is best for me at this moment.

By collaborating in something illegal they will be forcing other people out of legal, properly paid work. The fact that they are not profiting much from the illegality doesn't stop them being complicit in it.

I do feel sorry for the OP and understand why they may keep quiet until they can get some other income, however as a 'good' employer, I have to compete with people who use the self-employed scam and I can't compete with them. One day I'll give up the fight and then there goes another decent employer and the others carry on.:(

sangie595 wrote: »

And despite this they have no shortage of drivers! The problem the OP has has been well explored - if they are desperate for the money then they will do it, no matter how unlawful the terms may be. But as a self-employed person they would bear the full force of the law in relation to child safety if anything were to go wrong. And an employer who cuts corners on employment cuts them on everything else. But the OP won't have the luxury of saying that it was all the employers fault. Any more than, if one of those drivers has an accident because they are too tired to drive, they can blame Amazon for it.

They'll be in breach of UK domestic regs, which cover how long you can drive a van for over a week. It's really time HMRC stopped these self-employment scams.

bouicca21

If OP. Needs work that fits in with her own childcare needs, maybe she should explore becoming a registered childminder in her own right.

System

At £5/hr and then having expenses to pay out of that the OP may well be better off signing on the dole.

40hrs a week would give £200. Take off a tenner a week just for liability insurance, another £5-£10 a week if you do your own accounts and get someone to check them or £20 a week if you use an umbrella company. If you use an umbrella company they'll also deduct another 12.7% for holiday pay (which you'll get back as paid holidays) plus an additional 25.8% of everything above £156 a week to cover employers and employees NI.