We’d like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum.

This is to keep it a safe and useful space for MoneySaving discussions. Threads that are – or become – political in nature may be removed in line with the Forum’s rules. Thank you for your understanding.

PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING: Hello Forumites! In order to help keep the Forum a useful, safe and friendly place for our users, discussions around non-MoneySaving matters are not permitted per the Forum rules. While we understand that mentioning house prices may sometimes be relevant to a user's specific MoneySaving situation, we ask that you please avoid veering into broad, general debates about the market, the economy and politics, as these can unfortunately lead to abusive or hateful behaviour. Threads that are found to have derailed into wider discussions may be removed. Users who repeatedly disregard this may have their Forum account banned. Please also avoid posting personally identifiable information, including links to your own online property listing which may reveal your address. Thank you for your understanding.
📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!

Builder has bought the freehold to my property

2»

Comments

  • moneyistooshorttomention
    moneyistooshorttomention Posts: 17,940 Forumite
    edited 1 November 2016 at 4:09PM
    Without going back and checking that legal questionnaire vendors have to fill in - I have a feeling there is something there to the effect of vendors being supposed to mention anything they could reasonably be expected to know of. Anyway - the builder has probably slapped in a request for planning approval for the garden already - or will darn soon do so - and it will come up in searches.

    Somehow or other - I have a feeling any poor person that bought this place now would darn soon find out (whether from the shop-owner or other flat owners) that OP had known about it at the time she was pleading not to have known about it.:cool:

    Add that she only moved in in June and there is only one good reason for selling a place on again literally within months in a buyers eyes - that being "I've just had a lottery (or equivalent) win - so I can now get what I really wanted in the first place".
  • I'm with moneyistooshorttomention. If I were to sell I'll have to say that I know the building and gardens have been sold.

    Plus I only moved in June and am really happy in my flat and in the village and unfortunately can't afford another property in the area.

    You've all come up with some valid points and things to think about so thank you for your help.
  • anselld wrote: »
    The Builder cannot "up the ground rent".

    The ground rent can be upped.

    I've just had - yet another - spam email through to me this morning from Net House Prices Ltd (www.nethouseprices.com) asking people to sell their "ground rents" they can charge onto them. Their wording being "We buy any ground rents, small or large for cash".

    As I understand it - these firms buy up the ability to charge ground rents - and then whack them up from minimal level to rather more expensive.
  • anselld
    anselld Posts: 8,669 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Name Dropper
    The ground rent can be upped.

    As I understand it - these firms buy up the ability to charge ground rents - and then whack them up from minimal level to rather more expensive.

    It can only be upped if there is a clause in the Lease allowing this. Most Leases are either fixed or increase against a defined schedule.

    Ground rents can be bought and sold yes, but what is actually being traded is the "Freehold Reversion" and the opportunity to make money is in lease renewals and to an extent in admin fees for sale assignments, etc.

    As ever with Leasehold, what matters is what is written in the Lease so at the moment we are both guessing!
  • always_sunny
    always_sunny Posts: 8,314 Forumite
    anselld wrote: »
    It can only be upped if there is a clause in the Lease allowing this. Most Leases are either fixed or increase against a defined schedule.

    Ground rents can be bought and sold yes, but what is actually being traded is the "Freehold Reversion" and the opportunity to make money is in lease renewals and to an extent in admin fees for sale assignments, etc.

    As ever with Leasehold, what matters is what is written in the Lease so at the moment we are both guessing!

    Out of curiosity though, assuming the leaseholder renew/extend through statutory route, there's no much that can be added in there?
    EU expat working in London
  • anselld
    anselld Posts: 8,669 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Name Dropper
    Out of curiosity though, assuming the leaseholder renew/extend through statutory route, there's no much that can be added in there?

    In that case the Freeholder would be adequately compensated through the renewal premium. The statutory process is designed to offer a fair price to both parties ( albeit that the Lease holder picks up the tab for both sets of fees).
  • Hoploz
    Hoploz Posts: 3,888 Forumite
    I understood the main issue to be the concern that the character of the site could change and the OP would lose the pleasant surroundings and be overlooked by a new block of flats.

    Ground rents are not going to be changed unless the lease allows it and that is v unlikely.

    My first thought was that the whole building could be redeveloped ...
  • Actually - re the being potentially overlooked by a block of flats - there are planning considerations that would mean any planning application within a certain number of metres would be against regulations and due to be turned down. Can't remember the number of metres - though I've got it carefully saved somewhere just-in-case of need. I seem to recall it was more from their pov (rather than the existing householder) that they were deemed to have to have a back garden of at least a certain (pretty decent) width between them and any wall in between the two sites.

    I think this depends a bit on what part of the country one is in:
    a. In more heavily built-up areas that number of metres is likely to be somewhat smaller.
    b. In less built-up areas there may be the problem of "not what you know but who you know" undue influence being brought to bear on councillors - and those councillors "forgetting themselves" sufficiently to go against fairness/commonsense and push through something that shouldnt be allowed.

    Doesnt sound like OP is in a built-up area - so, hopefully, she isn't in a "not what you know but who you know" corrupt area.
This discussion has been closed.
Meet your Ambassadors

🚀 Getting Started

Hi new member!

Our Getting Started Guide will help you get the most out of the Forum

Categories

  • All Categories
  • 351.8K Banking & Borrowing
  • 253.4K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
  • 454K Spending & Discounts
  • 244.8K Work, Benefits & Business
  • 600.3K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
  • 177.3K Life & Family
  • 258.5K Travel & Transport
  • 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
  • 16.2K Discuss & Feedback
  • 37.6K Read-Only Boards

Is this how you want to be seen?

We see you are using a default avatar. It takes only a few seconds to pick a picture.