Job Interview: Employers recruiting employed staff rather than the Unemployed!

theoretica

One organisation whose job ads I keep an eye on announces all vacancies on the same system, but sometimes they are marked as open to internal applicants only. I admire that openness.

Eastender

Mr.Generous wrote: »

I guess it really shows the importance of getting a foot in the door. I used to interview and with every unknown candidate you are taking a chance one way or another. If you already employ someone who is trustworthy, reliable, enthusiastic and capable why wouldn't you look to them to fill a role? Career development is important to individuals within an organisation and the interviewer has to (try to) take the best person for the job. Think of all the stories you have heard of the executive who started off sweeping the floor. Being in the right place at the right time is helpful, if you take a part time role in any business and give it your all you will get noticed.

Yes, I think I agree with that. A recent employer who rang me back to give feedback, told me that they went with someone who is already employed and doing the same job elsewhere. He did admit by saying they did not want to take risks with other candidates.

I think I've seen a research somewhere where it mentions that most jobs are filled by staff moving between jobs rather being filled by unemployed people.

Volunteering is a way, but again if you have to see if there are any opportunities coming up in the organisation that you volunteer for.

Getting a foot in the door is the better way, even if it's a part-time or volunteer role, which I did try but they never got back to me even when I chased them. Better another try one.

Anyway, another interview coming up next week, let's see what happens. Hope they don't have another bloody volunteer!

[Deleted User]

Eastender wrote: »

Hi All,

Been to several interviews recently and the experience that I had from all these as follows.

A) Employers are hiring people who are already in jobs and are moving to new jobs.

They have a volunteer who is doing the same role that is advertised.

They just advertise new vacancies to meet the legal obligation. They would have saved a lot of effort and expenses, if they had just given the jobs to their preferred candidate without advertising which lures the unemployed into applying, costing the valuable resources and in to false sense of fair play, thinking they have equal chance. No way.

Even if I had done brilliantly at the interview, as I found out, I did not get it, that job was reserved for an internal candidate who is already doing the role advertised in the JD. How can you beat a person with a brilliant job interview who is currently undertaking the duties exactly described on the JD?

Or someone else currently doing the same role in a another organisation.

As a unemployed redundant person, this is demoralising.

A job where though? Or is this another individual wanting a cushy council job?

Try being successful getting a job where you are put down for one reason as part of that offer - as to how far you can be trod on when making someone else's life nice! I've ended up missing my Mum's very special birthday for some must do 'overtime' (which I've written off as I'm on a salary) when truth be told it wasn't really needed so yes as much as I'm becoming passive, I rather wish I was unemployed right now so do stop feeling down, I'm even considering stating myself as unemployed as who really wants to hear about the amazing self claimed "work life balance" employer that only exists for half the company. You are employed to simply make someone else's life easier.

mariposa687

I'm looking for work at the moment and I've recently had an interview where it felt like it would go to someone internal. There's no way I would have known how one of their IT systems worked if I hadn't worked there before and they seemed annoyed I didn't have experience of it.

If they're going to give it to someone internal anyway they shouldn't interview external candidates. It isn't fair and it's a waste of your time and effort which could be put in to a job that you may actually stand a chance of getting. It's also disheartening when you see a job advertised then you see 'INTERNAL CANDIDATES ONLY' - then why have you advertised it??!

sangie595

Deleted%20User wrote: »

Or is this another individual wanting a cushy council job? .

The only people who think that council jobs are cushy are the ones who have never worked for a council. Your comment is very offensive to people who work hard for a living and happen to work for a council. You are just displaying your ignorance. If you want to whinge about your own employers, then fine. You seem to do it a lot. But I see no reason why that should involve putting down other people who work really hard.

MataNui

Recruiting is expensive and time consuming for the company. As there is no legal requirement for them to advertise the position you would think that it would be pretty moronic for a company to go to all that time and expense advertising and interviewing just to give it to the internal candidate anyway.

Its pretty rare for that to actually happen but i think is more common in local authority or public sector posts. They dont tend to give a crap about wasting money as long as it makes them look 'inclusive' or otherwise politically correct.

sangie595

MataNui wrote: »

Recruiting is expensive and time consuming for the company. As there is no legal requirement for them to advertise the position you would think that it would be pretty moronic for a company to go to all that time and expense advertising and interviewing just to give it to the internal candidate anyway.

Its pretty rare for that to actually happen but i think is more common in local authority or public sector posts. They dont tend to give a crap about wasting money as long as it makes them look 'inclusive' or otherwise politically correct.

Quite the contrary. If posts are for internal recruitment first, usually due to people being at risk of redundancy, then the posts are advertised internal only. If they go to external advertisement, then any priority internal applicants have already been ruled out. So all those people blaming internal applicants for having an unfair advantage as a reason for not getting the job, you need to think of a better reason. The chances are that in a local authority or other public sector job, internal candidates have already been ruled out! You see, not only do they care about not wasting money, but they also have strict legally correct procedures to protect jobs in the first instance, and then fair recruitment processes.

It's always amusing to see how some people - presumably the ones who can't get a job in the public sector - slam them for being "politically correct" and "inclusive," (which actually means that they abide by the law) and then simultaneously say that they are being unfair because they didn't get the job!

mariposa687

Fair point well made sangie595. For me anyway, it was kick that I needed! I need to try and not let the frustration of job searching get the better of me.

It does make a lot of sense that companies wouldn't go to the hassle of external applicants if they didn't need to.

theoretica

mariposa687 wrote: »

It's also disheartening when you see a job advertised then you see 'INTERNAL CANDIDATES ONLY' - then why have you advertised it??!

If they are paying anything to advertise it, I agree why do that. If by 'advertising' you mean having it on their own website then probably that is the way their recruitment software works. I like the openness - it is very useful when you know enough about an organisation to work out how their promotion patterns work and if it might lead to a vacancy elsewhere.

xapprenticex

it may be frustrating but once you're in, you'll appreciate these internal jobs because there is virtually always something there for you with potentially little competition, especially if you are actually liked by the line managers running the various teams.