Brexiters should be 'Ashamed of the harm to come"

cogito

Unemployment rates amongst under 25s in Greece and Spain are reducing a little but the reason is not because there are more jobs available. It,s because young people are emigrating to find work in other countries. The saddest part is that it's the best educated who tend to leave.

TrickyTree83

cogito wrote: »

Unemployment rates amongst under 25s in Greece and Spain are reducing a little but the reason is not because there are more jobs available. It,s because young people are emigrating to find work in other countries. The saddest part is that it's the best educated who tend to leave.

Will they jeopardise such a tentative recovery with a bad deal on Brexit? There was plenty of talk of punishment from outgoing heads of state, those on the edge of being ousted and perhaps less inflammatory from those who will remain incumbent once we've left. It's toning down and I suspect by the time the real negotiations take place and draw to a close that the EU27 will actually want to give us a good deal - not the same - but a good one since it's in everyone's best interests. For them to maintain a recovery and for us to continue growing as it ultimately helps both.

CLAPTON

davomcdave wrote: »

You appear to me to want to view the EU in a certain way but the data is what it is. It could be wrong or misinterpreted of course but if you look at Eurozone data then things seem to be looking up on average.

a good start would to be consistent

so if 0.1 % is meaningless for the UK then lets say it is meaningless for the EU too

if one needs a couple of years data for one then lets use the same data series to compare with the other : of course they can both be incorrect but at least comparitiveness is established.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

cogito wrote: »

Unemployment rates amongst under 25s in Greece and Spain are reducing a little but the reason is not because there are more jobs available. It,s because young people are emigrating to find work in other countries. .

Which is a great example of the EU working well.

A single employment market, where people are free to move to where there is more opportunity, without bureaucratic hindrance.

The same as someone moving from the high unemployment Welsh valleys to London or Manchester.

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Which is a great example of the EU working well.

A single employment market, where people are free to move to where there is more opportunity, without bureaucratic hindrance.

The same as someone moving from the high unemployment Welsh valleys to London or Manchester.

was that the idea then?
instead of spreading prosperity around all the countries of the EU, the idea was to deplete the populations of failing ones?

MacMickster

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Will they jeopardise such a tentative recovery with a bad deal on Brexit? There was plenty of talk of punishment from outgoing heads of state, those on the edge of being ousted and perhaps less inflammatory from those who will remain incumbent once we've left. It's toning down and I suspect by the time the real negotiations take place and draw to a close that the EU27 will actually want to give us a good deal - not the same - but a good one since it's in everyone's best interests. For them to maintain a recovery and for us to continue growing as it ultimately helps both.

From the English language edition of Spanish newspaper El Pais
following talks between their PM and Theresa May
http://elpais.com/elpais/2017/02/03/inenglish/1486110251_505557.html

Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy conveyed to Theresa May on Friday that the United Kingdom’s exit from the European Union – commonly known as “Brexit” – must happen “quickly, and with a constructive and positive approach,” ..........

According to sources consulted by EL PAÍS, both the Spanish and British PM coincided on the need to “not damage the interests of Spanish and British citizens” residing in each other’s countries. More than 300,000 Britons – most of whom are retired – are currently living in Spain, while around 200,000 Spaniards – most of whom are young and highly qualified – live in the United Kingdom.

It is in Spain’s interest for British citizens living in the country to remain comfortable post-Brexit, given that many claim pensions from the UK and invest plenty of capital in the purchase of properties – not to mention the 15.5 million Britons who visited the country in 2015, with UK tourists topping the list of nationalities that visit Spain.

What’s more, the United Kingdom is the second destination for Spanish investment abroad, while the trade balance is in Spain’s favor (€7 billion in 2015). All of these factors account for Rajoy’s interest in the Brexit process involving “the continuation of good relations between the United Kingdom and the EU,” according to government sources.

It seems that the initial posturing is giving way to reason. Good news for both sides.

BobQ

Mortgagefreeman wrote: »

Another remoaner who's wrong.:rotfl:

You seem to be determined to prove the statistics are right

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034

The data confirms previous indications that local results were strongly associated with the educational attainment of voters - populations with lower qualifications were significantly more likely to vote Leave. (The data for this analysis comes from one in nine wards)
The level of education had a higher correlation with the voting pattern than any other major demographic measure from the census

TrickyTree83

BobQ wrote: »

You seem to be determined to prove the statistics are right

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034

Educational qualification attainment isn't indicative of intelligence. It feels like a last ditch smear campaign against the general public. Along the lines of "you're not educated enough therefore you cannot possibly know enough about the subject matter to make an informed decision.", which is blatantly not true. A degree in Geology isn't going to make you an expert on matter of the UK and the EU.

As many MP's in the HoC said recently, this narrative trying to paint Leave voters as stupid, racist, xenophobic or other must stop. It's mass bigotry.

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

You seem to be determined to prove the statistics are right

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034

the statistics clearly showed that the young, inexperienced, students, people without any responsibilities or achievements, rent-a-crowd etc were more likely to be remainers.

mayonnaise

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

...this narrative trying to paint Leave voters as stupid, racist, xenophobic or other must stop. It's mass bigotry.

It's a good thing this assessment didn't imply such a thing then.
As per article:

Of course this assessment does not imply that Leave voters were almost all poorly educated and old, and Remain voters well educated and young.