NSGL Parking - Peel Centre Gloucester

Absenthe

Hello all.

would like to tell all about parking ticket from the Fraudulant Company NSGL Parking.

I borrowed a car from a friend, and went to the Peel Centre in Gloucester to join up to The Gym there.

I parked next to the pub The High Orchard as I took a wrong turn, other cars and vans were parked and I could not see any signs so thought it would be ok.

When I returned to the Car it had a invoice on it from NSGL Parking, ok I thought, I did not see any signage when I park hence why I parked there, I took Photos showing where I parked there was not adequate signage, due to other cars and vans beeing parked on opposite side of road covering the sign closest to me.

I followed Martin's (:money:) Guide online and highlighted this to NSGL Parking on my Direct Appeal to them, I heard nothing for 2 weeks, no reply, no anything.

3 weeks later at the same spot adequate signage was in place, ah I thought they have taken my point and cancelled the Invoice, several weeks went by and the person i borrowed the car off informed me that they had got a NTK about the incident, I went mad, and explained to them NSGL Parking had put the signage up, what are they doing, I emailed them and they replied "we never recived your appeal - its now logged" needless to say they rejected my appeal, after they put the signage up that I pointed out!

It has now gone to POPLA I also compalined direct to Steve Clark at AOS and I await to see if POPLA backs up a Fraudulant company like NSGL Parking.

To note also, the place the car was parked was not in a car park, it was on the slip road, would this not be deemed trespass? Can only Peel centre but forward a claim for this.

Any help or advice from this point on is welcomed.

I understand what Coupon-mad says about DO NOT PAY! even after POPLA

Umkomaas

Who's sent the POPLA appeal in, you or your friend?

Who was the POPLA code issued to?

Absenthe

Hi Umkomass

POPLA Appeal was sent by me, and Issued to me after them stating that they never recieved the the Appeal sent on the day, I had a look throught the BPA COP and they have broken so many rules!

They applied to DVLA for NTK even thought I appealed on the day! and they ignored it! Another breach of BPA COP!

Umkomaas

So you've outed yourself as 'the driver', or 'the keeper' (as opposed to 'registered keeper')? Which one please?

What did your POPLA appeal consist of? Can you post it up so we can give a view on whether it has a chance, or whether you might have to take the 'ignore for the next six years, short of court papers' route.

Absenthe

On 30/5/16 I parked in what I thought was to be a public road with no double yellow lines or single yellow lines and at the point in which I parked no loading or unloading signs, as other cars where parked also and due to not seeing any no parking permitted signs where I parked the car.

I returned to the car and found a Parking Charge notice on my car - it had on the bottom of it "it is illegal to remove this notice" it was at 11am and thought it was a Council Parking Enforcement Notice, after inspecting it, I looked around and could not see from where I was parked any notices on the road or chain fence or on the no entry post, I took pictures to prove it, I got home and followed the Appeal procedure on the Ticket (See proof)




Authority to issue tickets?
Does NSGL have the Authority from the land owner to issue tickets on the land in question?




I drove by the site two weeks later and new adequate signs could now been seen and visible, I pointed this out in my Appeal (30/5/16).

No breach of contract

How can I have a contract with you, if I did not even see the sign where I parked?

(The requisite elements that must be established to demonstrate the formation of a legally binding contract are (1) offer; (2) acceptance; (3) consideration; (4) mutuality of obligation; (5) competency and capacity; and, in certain circumstances, (6) a written instrument.)

Several weeks went by and I heard nothing, with the understanding that I had followed the companies’ procedures. Due to no reply form NSGL Parking I believed the case was closed due to it stating on the ticket they would be in contact within 35 days of appeal.


Weeks went by and the Registered keeper of the car informed me she had a letter, (11/7/16) in regards to the day I used the car (30/5/16), I informed her I appealed and heard nothing.

I then talked to BPA and they informed me I must now challenge NSGL Parking as to why no response was given or acknowledged,





(Two Weeks Later-after Appeal) Notice Signage now on No Entry and post bent




Breach of BPA code of conduct

This is the emails I then had with the company I also noted its “Questionable” how they did not reply to the original Appeal. Yet two weeks later put up all the signage that I pointed out was not present at the time hence why I parked there as I believed it to be ok. So then on this point of contact they then logged it as an appeal, with all the visible signage now present!

I appealed again with the original appeal they never logged, but they rejected it within a week!
:j


also included in the appeal is photos of the new signs now up as well as the original appeal they say they "never got"




30/05/16
NSGL Parking
The Old Accounts Block
Permali park
Bristol road
Gloucester
GL1 5SR


Dear Sir or Madam,

Ticket number: 17324
Vehicle registration number: S!!!!!!

You issued a parking ticket on 30/05/16 but I believe it was unfairly and unlawfully issued. I decline your invitation to name the driver, which is not required of the keeper of the vehicle. I will not be paying your demand for payment for the following reasons.

· The alleged contravention did not occur
Quite simply, the parking attendant got it wrong and the vehicle was not parked inappropriately at the time the ticket was issued. This is due to the fact that where the car was parked no signage was present, not double yellow lines were present and no signage from NSGL was present on the side of the road where the car was parked. Please see attached evidence, As you can see - No signage, no yellow line, no indication that parking in this spot is prohibited, see pictures as proof of my claim.

· There was insufficient signage
The car park in question has no clear signage to explain what the relevant parking restrictions are. This means no contract can be formed with the landowner and all tickets are issued illegally. Please see attached evidence, As you can see - No signage, No double yellow lines or single yellow line, No indication that parking in this spot is prohibited, see pictures as proof of my claim.

· The vehicle was not parked on the land in question
You issued a ticket for supposedly breaking your parking restrictions yet the vehicle was actually parked On the opposite side of the road, with No signage from NSGL, No double yellow lines or single yellow lines and No parking signs from the Highway Authority meaning you had no authority to issue a ticket. Please see attached evidence, as proof.

· Mitigating circumstances
There are mitigating circumstances to explain why I parked where I did and I am requesting that the charge be waived for this reason. Please see attached evidence, This is due to the fact that where the car was parked no NSGL signage was present, No double yellow lines or single yellow lines were present and No signage from NSGL was present on the side of the road where the car was parked and No parking signs from the Highway Authority meaning you had no authority to issue a ticket

· The charge is disproportionate and not commercially justifiable
The amount you have charged is not based upon any commercially justifiable loss to your company or the landowner.

In this case, the £60 charge you are asking for far exceeds the cost to the landowner of which the car was not even parked see pictures - Due to No NGSL signage, No double yellow lines or single yellow line, No parking signs from the Highway Authority no indication at all it is prohibited to not park in this spot.


· Overview - Car was parked on the opposite side the site in question, There was Zero NGSL signs present where the car was parked, No double yellow lines - No single yellow line - No Highway Agency signs for No parking or Loading/unloading signs

If you choose to pursue me please be aware that I will not enter into any correspondence and this will be the only letter you will receive from me until you answer the specific points raised in my letter.


Yours faithfully,


JS

Umkomaas

What did your appeal to POPLA say please?

Absenthe

Thats it above with but with all Photo's attached

If you think i need to add more to it, please let me know as they are still accepting things I send them.

Umkomaas

You issued a parking ticket on 30/05/16

POPLA didn't issue a parking ticket.

You issued a ticket for supposedly breaking your parking restrictions

POPLA had no parking restrictions.

You need to look at more conventional POPLA appeals and see if you can get one in late to them.

Although I can't forecast their response to your first appeal, I don't hold out much hope for it. See what others think.

Absenthe

Let me get this right, run me through this again, you see no hope in my appeal to POPLA showing this company has broken the BPA COP several times on several points in plain sight and been fraudulant? And there is no hope? - When it loses then if this is the case, court it is.

Umkomaas

Put it this way, I've never seen an appeal that's set out like that win. I did say I can't forecast the outcome, but if you look at the way winning examples have been set out, they don't look much like yours.

You need to list the points from the CoP where you believe they have failed, I'm afraid POPLA won't go looking for them - they are not acting on your behalf, nor on behalf of the PPC, but each party must set out its case to them and for them to assess against the points raised.

They will certainly not get involved in determining whether anything fraudulent has occurred, that's the domain of the police.

The POPLA decision is not binding on you - you are not forced to pay it if you lose, neither is court inevitable. Here's NSGL's court record to date.

http://www.bmpa.eu/companydata/NSGL.html

Absenthe

Thanks for the reply, Sorry I have listed to POPLA where they have failed in regards to BPA COP, its just not shown, I have also not included a few other bits of info just in case NSGL Fraudsters view this site.