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Family American Holiday ? (not Orlando, NYC or LV)
Murphy_The_Cat
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This is a rehash of a previous post that I hope is helpful to folk I've just come back from an absolutely marvellous holiday in Vancouver, Whistler, Seattle and San Diego with Mrs Cat and my 12 & 9 year old kittens. We had an absolute ball.
If you're thinking about a family holiday thats going to involve doing things and covering some miles, I hope that my thoughts help. (Some/most of these won't apply if you're doing a Disney trip, or if you are doing a more adventurous road trip).
It may be of more relevance to families with youngish children.
A lot of it is down to the 7Ps.
Sit down with your family and write down on a piece of paper what you would all like to do - especially the children. Its their holiday as well ! You may be very surprised by what THEY would like to do. My 2 didn't want to do any 'big ticket' things (like Disney) but wanted us to do things together.
Then plan around from this point -- please bear in mind that America is a huge place and whilst ou might be happy driving 300 miles every day, the rest of your party might prefer chilling around the pool/exploring the States on foot. Following on from last years trip, the children asked if there was anyway we could have a multi centre holiday, without as much driving (as being in a car for 4-6 hours a day bored them rigid). The solution was to fly the long leg from Vancouver to San Diego. A massive amount of driving, time, fuel money and one way hire (if we could have got it) was saved. Plus it gave extra time to have fun and do things rather than slogging down various Interstates. We booked the flights as part of a Multi Stop itinerary and the additional cost was negligible (interestingly, our baggage was free on the flight from Vanouver to LAX, I'd been expecting a $25 charge per bag)
Identify the flights that best suit your requirements. Set up a Tracker on google flights and get a feel for how the flight prices move when you change the variables.
Enrol for that airlines frequent flyer service.
Once you find a price that you're happy with, Book 'em.
It my experience, the advantage of booking with a 'full service' airline, that is a member of a group i.e Star Alliance, is enormous. Even if costs a few quid more, there are major pluses over a charter flight or airlines that aren't in a 'club'.
Nearer the time, make a note of all the optional routes that you could take if your flight is delayed/cancelled.
Have the helpdesk number of your airline to hand --- potentially many, many times quicker than waiting to get to the front of the line.
MCE (main cabin extra) is offred by American Airlines for about £75-£125pp extra which gives you 6" extra legroom and a slightly wider seat.(no additional services, just a bigger seat). This seems to be a LOT cheaper than taking up a 'Premium Econony seat. The MCE cabin on our AA 777-300 was a much more pleasant place that the WT seat on the BA A380 (both planes gave really good, family friendly flights, but AA's free seat selection is a real bonus over AA)
If you are taking a Positioning flight before (or after as well), then take some time to explain to the sprogs what your are doing and why you are doing it. Taking a Ryanairesque flight adds absolutely nothing to to the American holiday experience, but the potential substantial cash savings have a big impact on your holiday budget. Also consider your Poistioning flight timing - it may not bother you to get to your hotel room in Dublin/Amsterdam/Copenhagen etc at 12:30 am, to rise again a 6:00 for your first 'proper' leg, but your children won't share the same enthusiasm with you. Knackered sprogs for the first day of your holiday isn't a happy scenario.
(doesn't apply if your original flight is from London). Make some serious consideration to connecting via London, rather than an American airport - the advantage being that you've got no worries getting your connection if your flight is delayed and you've got to clear Customs/Immigration/TSA and re check your bags. (as an aside clearing Customs/Immigration/TSA in Vancouver for the next leg was completely painless, very quick and ultra efficient)
Find 2 or 3 things to do on each day of your holiday and make a note of their addresses preinput them into yourphone/MapApp. This can save a lot of time, aggro and fuel. You don't have to do all of them, or any of them, but it saves driving around in a new place, looking for something to do. Also, before your leave, check the opening times on all of the things that you've previously bookmarked. Seasonal opening times vary, plus, due to US Government cutbacks, some places that previously opened 7 days a week may not currently be doing so. Also check if you need to provide ID for some things that are operated by the US Gov.
If you have something that you'd really like to do prebook the event (after doing a mooch for discounts/vouchers first) and make the committment. A good example being teh Boeing Factory tour that we took in Everett, Washington - people turned up at 10am, to find that the first available tour time was 4pm.
Book your hire car and book a biggun. There are lots of thread on MSE that offer suggestions on where to hire your car from.
Size has a quality all of ts own and being able to sepearte your sprogs into different rows can be very calming for all. Don't be put off by scary gas guzzler stories. Over a 1000 miles, a 'gas guzzler' that does 20 USmpg will only cost you an additional $40ish offer a 'standard' car that does 25 USmpg. That extra space & comfort is worth every penny.
If possible, book with a Rental Company that allows you to pick the car that you want from a selection (Alamo allows this.). My children scored a cracking upgrade this year be fbeing riendly, polite and fun with the hire lot attendent.
If you haven't booked with a company that allows self selection,
when you get to the airport, be nice to the person at the car hire desk - most people aren't.
Ask if you have a choice of vehicle and if so, can you have a mooch around the parking lot.
Take the children with you whilst you're looking.
If you're going somehere hot and the car only has air con, dismiss it. Climate Control is king. If it has remote start, grab it - its a feature that you'll love every time that you use it.
Have the crack with the car hire people, you might be surpised what vehicle you can get with your money.
If you have a car for the day and don't like it, take it back and ask to swap it.
Did I mention, hire a biggun.- We've just dropped off a 7 seat Lincoln Navigator that came equipped with backup camera, remore start, leather and multiple 12V DC & mains socket, IPOD & USB sockets, 3 rows of seats etc.AND SAT NAV.
If you find a car with SAT NAV, grab it, its MUCH easier than using a TomTom type device and much better than using a phone app (especially if your're travelling from State to State)
Don't forget to get your frequent flyer miles added from your car rental.
You may get offered a return the car empty of fuel option. This may make sense if your currently in a State where fuel is cheap, but you're ending up in a State where fuel is dearer. Bear in mind that the price they quote you will need to have the various taxes adding to it, which may make the idea uneconomic.If you have to return it full, make sure that you do so as the refueeling charge is hefty (about $9 per gal). Only you know if this option is attractive to you.
Set your car return time as late as possible - then before returning your car check the status of your flight. If its significently delayed, you would be able to check in your luggage and then take your car away for another couple of hours.
Accomodationwise, prebook the lot. I've found Homewood Suites/Embassy Suites/Staybridge Suites to be very high quality/excellant value - especially if you take advantage of the cooked breakfasts, evening 'welcome home' meals and free bar. Be sure to enrol for HHonors/IHG rewards beforehand as your stays can very quickly add upto a free night.
Whilst having a suite seperated by a door may seem a bit OTT, being able to put your children to bed and then being able to carry on doing other stuff has a value all of its own.
The AAA rate (eligible to AA members) is typically the best available rate with Embassy/Homewood &, is cancellable until the actual day and only needs the international code of 328 at time of booking to secure the room.
I've got an AA/AAA card, but none of the hotels that I stayed at whilst away asked to see it.
If it suits your rquirements, assosciate your HHonors card with your frequent flyer card to get a 'Double Dip'.
We found IHG groups Family & Friends offer to be very good this year.
Also, look at Quidco and a site like Hotels.com for bookings.
Going directly to a good quality hotel, with free cooked breakfast, wifi, pool, evening reception etc, etc, has a value all of its own. Your family aren't interested if you've saved $15 by driving around for an hour, looking for a deal, they want to be having fun !
Print out all reservations and take them with you. You probably won't need them, but if its 1.00 in the morning, your plans have changed and your dealing with someone whos first language isn't English, the printed sheets are priceless.
Take a Tablet computer/Kindle Fire with you - very, very useful.
Take a Leatherman type tool with you.
Have a quick look at the airport plans for the airports that you are using -- eating wise, some can have very limited offerings airside.
Be realistic with your planning - don't try and do to much. A couple of lazy/lazier days can work out as good fun.
Oh and be prepared for your CC's to get a real battering - the cost can accumualate VERY quickly if you take advantage of the wonderful things that are on offer & at $1.30 to a £1, it stacks up VERY quickly. This time around, Outlet Mall shopping definitely wasn't the 'bargain' that it once was, but having a large choice of stores in one place was handy.
Enjoy your planning and enjoy your time in the US.
If you're thinking about a family holiday thats going to involve doing things and covering some miles, I hope that my thoughts help. (Some/most of these won't apply if you're doing a Disney trip, or if you are doing a more adventurous road trip).
It may be of more relevance to families with youngish children.
A lot of it is down to the 7Ps.
Sit down with your family and write down on a piece of paper what you would all like to do - especially the children. Its their holiday as well ! You may be very surprised by what THEY would like to do. My 2 didn't want to do any 'big ticket' things (like Disney) but wanted us to do things together.
Then plan around from this point -- please bear in mind that America is a huge place and whilst ou might be happy driving 300 miles every day, the rest of your party might prefer chilling around the pool/exploring the States on foot. Following on from last years trip, the children asked if there was anyway we could have a multi centre holiday, without as much driving (as being in a car for 4-6 hours a day bored them rigid). The solution was to fly the long leg from Vancouver to San Diego. A massive amount of driving, time, fuel money and one way hire (if we could have got it) was saved. Plus it gave extra time to have fun and do things rather than slogging down various Interstates. We booked the flights as part of a Multi Stop itinerary and the additional cost was negligible (interestingly, our baggage was free on the flight from Vanouver to LAX, I'd been expecting a $25 charge per bag)
Identify the flights that best suit your requirements. Set up a Tracker on google flights and get a feel for how the flight prices move when you change the variables.
Enrol for that airlines frequent flyer service.
Once you find a price that you're happy with, Book 'em.
It my experience, the advantage of booking with a 'full service' airline, that is a member of a group i.e Star Alliance, is enormous. Even if costs a few quid more, there are major pluses over a charter flight or airlines that aren't in a 'club'.
Nearer the time, make a note of all the optional routes that you could take if your flight is delayed/cancelled.
Have the helpdesk number of your airline to hand --- potentially many, many times quicker than waiting to get to the front of the line.
MCE (main cabin extra) is offred by American Airlines for about £75-£125pp extra which gives you 6" extra legroom and a slightly wider seat.(no additional services, just a bigger seat). This seems to be a LOT cheaper than taking up a 'Premium Econony seat. The MCE cabin on our AA 777-300 was a much more pleasant place that the WT seat on the BA A380 (both planes gave really good, family friendly flights, but AA's free seat selection is a real bonus over AA)
If you are taking a Positioning flight before (or after as well), then take some time to explain to the sprogs what your are doing and why you are doing it. Taking a Ryanairesque flight adds absolutely nothing to to the American holiday experience, but the potential substantial cash savings have a big impact on your holiday budget. Also consider your Poistioning flight timing - it may not bother you to get to your hotel room in Dublin/Amsterdam/Copenhagen etc at 12:30 am, to rise again a 6:00 for your first 'proper' leg, but your children won't share the same enthusiasm with you. Knackered sprogs for the first day of your holiday isn't a happy scenario.
(doesn't apply if your original flight is from London). Make some serious consideration to connecting via London, rather than an American airport - the advantage being that you've got no worries getting your connection if your flight is delayed and you've got to clear Customs/Immigration/TSA and re check your bags. (as an aside clearing Customs/Immigration/TSA in Vancouver for the next leg was completely painless, very quick and ultra efficient)
Find 2 or 3 things to do on each day of your holiday and make a note of their addresses preinput them into yourphone/MapApp. This can save a lot of time, aggro and fuel. You don't have to do all of them, or any of them, but it saves driving around in a new place, looking for something to do. Also, before your leave, check the opening times on all of the things that you've previously bookmarked. Seasonal opening times vary, plus, due to US Government cutbacks, some places that previously opened 7 days a week may not currently be doing so. Also check if you need to provide ID for some things that are operated by the US Gov.
If you have something that you'd really like to do prebook the event (after doing a mooch for discounts/vouchers first) and make the committment. A good example being teh Boeing Factory tour that we took in Everett, Washington - people turned up at 10am, to find that the first available tour time was 4pm.
Book your hire car and book a biggun. There are lots of thread on MSE that offer suggestions on where to hire your car from.
Size has a quality all of ts own and being able to sepearte your sprogs into different rows can be very calming for all. Don't be put off by scary gas guzzler stories. Over a 1000 miles, a 'gas guzzler' that does 20 USmpg will only cost you an additional $40ish offer a 'standard' car that does 25 USmpg. That extra space & comfort is worth every penny.
If possible, book with a Rental Company that allows you to pick the car that you want from a selection (Alamo allows this.). My children scored a cracking upgrade this year be fbeing riendly, polite and fun with the hire lot attendent.
If you haven't booked with a company that allows self selection,
when you get to the airport, be nice to the person at the car hire desk - most people aren't.
Ask if you have a choice of vehicle and if so, can you have a mooch around the parking lot.
Take the children with you whilst you're looking.
If you're going somehere hot and the car only has air con, dismiss it. Climate Control is king. If it has remote start, grab it - its a feature that you'll love every time that you use it.
Have the crack with the car hire people, you might be surpised what vehicle you can get with your money.
If you have a car for the day and don't like it, take it back and ask to swap it.
Did I mention, hire a biggun.- We've just dropped off a 7 seat Lincoln Navigator that came equipped with backup camera, remore start, leather and multiple 12V DC & mains socket, IPOD & USB sockets, 3 rows of seats etc.AND SAT NAV.
If you find a car with SAT NAV, grab it, its MUCH easier than using a TomTom type device and much better than using a phone app (especially if your're travelling from State to State)
Don't forget to get your frequent flyer miles added from your car rental.
You may get offered a return the car empty of fuel option. This may make sense if your currently in a State where fuel is cheap, but you're ending up in a State where fuel is dearer. Bear in mind that the price they quote you will need to have the various taxes adding to it, which may make the idea uneconomic.If you have to return it full, make sure that you do so as the refueeling charge is hefty (about $9 per gal). Only you know if this option is attractive to you.
Set your car return time as late as possible - then before returning your car check the status of your flight. If its significently delayed, you would be able to check in your luggage and then take your car away for another couple of hours.
Accomodationwise, prebook the lot. I've found Homewood Suites/Embassy Suites/Staybridge Suites to be very high quality/excellant value - especially if you take advantage of the cooked breakfasts, evening 'welcome home' meals and free bar. Be sure to enrol for HHonors/IHG rewards beforehand as your stays can very quickly add upto a free night.
Whilst having a suite seperated by a door may seem a bit OTT, being able to put your children to bed and then being able to carry on doing other stuff has a value all of its own.
The AAA rate (eligible to AA members) is typically the best available rate with Embassy/Homewood &, is cancellable until the actual day and only needs the international code of 328 at time of booking to secure the room.
I've got an AA/AAA card, but none of the hotels that I stayed at whilst away asked to see it.
If it suits your rquirements, assosciate your HHonors card with your frequent flyer card to get a 'Double Dip'.
We found IHG groups Family & Friends offer to be very good this year.
Also, look at Quidco and a site like Hotels.com for bookings.
Going directly to a good quality hotel, with free cooked breakfast, wifi, pool, evening reception etc, etc, has a value all of its own. Your family aren't interested if you've saved $15 by driving around for an hour, looking for a deal, they want to be having fun !
Print out all reservations and take them with you. You probably won't need them, but if its 1.00 in the morning, your plans have changed and your dealing with someone whos first language isn't English, the printed sheets are priceless.
Take a Tablet computer/Kindle Fire with you - very, very useful.
Take a Leatherman type tool with you.
Have a quick look at the airport plans for the airports that you are using -- eating wise, some can have very limited offerings airside.
Be realistic with your planning - don't try and do to much. A couple of lazy/lazier days can work out as good fun.
Oh and be prepared for your CC's to get a real battering - the cost can accumualate VERY quickly if you take advantage of the wonderful things that are on offer & at $1.30 to a £1, it stacks up VERY quickly. This time around, Outlet Mall shopping definitely wasn't the 'bargain' that it once was, but having a large choice of stores in one place was handy.
Enjoy your planning and enjoy your time in the US.
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I arrived at the car hire centre at Boston at 10pm a couple of weeks ago, and there was a queue out of the door to collect cars. So I got out my Avis Preferred card, which I had signed up for after getting an Avis car as part of a very good plane+car deal with BA and had my booking transferred onto, wandered upstairs to the one person queue at the preferred desk and was away in five minutes. And in an upgraded car, too, 3.5l of V6 meaty goodness.0
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Murphy_The_Cat wrote: »This is a rehash of a previous post that I hope is helpful to folk I've just come back from an absolutely marvellous holiday in Vancouver, Whistler, Seattle and San Diego with Mrs Cat and my 12 & 9 year old kittens. We had an absolute ball.
If you're thinking about a family holiday thats going to involve doing things and covering some miles, I hope that my thoughts help. (Some/most of these won't apply if you're doing a Disney trip, or if you are doing a more adventurous road trip).
It may be of more relevance to families with youngish children.
Really great post, Murphy and I would agree with it all. My kids are a bit older, 13 & 16, so our thoughts might be helpful as well. We have just been to Colorado, Wyoming & Utah on a similar trip and like Murphy, we had a fantastic time.Murphy_The_Cat wrote: »A lot of it is down to the 7Ps.
Sit down with your family and write down on a piece of paper what you would all like to do - especially the children. Its their holiday as well ! You may be very surprised by what THEY would like to do. My 2 didn't want to do any 'big ticket' things (like Disney) but wanted us to do things together.
I second this. We all talked about what we liked doing on previous trips and what we wanted to do this time. We all like baseball, so used the MLB schedule to make sure we saw a game (Colorado Rockies v Washington Nationals with a whopping 22 runs!). We've also been to an NFL pre-season game on a previous trip which was great fun.
The teenagers say "Enjoy the family time - it's why you are there! Make the most of hanging out with your parents while nobody having to work etc. Make sure you get a say in what activities you do."
We don't mind some longer drives, but made sure that we alternated this with no-drive/shorter drive days. We tried to aim for 3 hours maximum in the car, and only had a couple of longer drives - but we broke these up with decent stops.
Playing licence plate spotting keeps kids busy on a long drive. We ticked off the states as we saw them and managed a full set for the first time this year (the people of Delaware, Vermont and Rhode Island don't tend to get out that much). We did have to explain to the nice couple from Delaware why we were cheering and taking pictures of their car . . .
There was quite a lot of negotiation with teenagers about getting up times etc. Both of ours do like a long lie-in but understood that this didn't work for a road trip holiday. They did nap in the car and go to bed earlier than they would usually do at home so they did fit quite a lot of sleeping in!
There was also some negotiation about shower times and bathroom usage with 4 of us sharing a room. Dad learned that not everyone can shower and get ready in 5 minutes and teenagers learned that half an hour hogging the sink to do your hair is not acceptable when sharing facilities. There was also more harmony when some people agreed to shower in the evening rather than everyone queuing in the morning.Murphy_The_Cat wrote: »Find 2 or 3 things to do on each day of your holiday and make a note of their addresses preinput them into yourphone/MapApp. This can save a lot of time, aggro and fuel. You don't have to do all of them, or any of them, but it saves driving around in a new place, looking for something to do. Also, before your leave, check the opening times on all of the things that you've previously bookmarked. Seasonal opening times vary, plus, due to US Government cutbacks, some places that previously opened 7 days a week may not currently be doing so. Also check if you need to provide ID for some things that are operated by the US Gov.
If you have something that you'd really like to do prebook the event (after doing a mooch for discounts/vouchers first) and make the committment. A good example being teh Boeing Factory tour that we took in Everett, Washington - people turned up at 10am, to find that the first available tour time was 4pm.
This is a really good idea - especially about checking times closer to your holiday. Pre-booking was also really helpful for us - we wouldn't have been able to go rafting if we hadn't booked in advance.Murphy_The_Cat wrote: »If possible, book with a Rental Company that allows you to pick the car that you want from a selection (Alamo allows this.). My children scored a cracking upgrade this year be fbeing riendly, polite and fun with the hire lot attendent.
If you haven't booked with a company that allows self selection,
when you get to the airport, be nice to the person at the car hire desk - most people aren't.
Ask if you have a choice of vehicle and if so, can you have a mooch around the parking lot.
Take the children with you whilst you're looking.
If you're going somehere hot and the car only has air con, dismiss it. Climate Control is king. If it has remote start, grab it - its a feature that you'll love every time that you use it.
Have the crack with the car hire people, you might be surpised what vehicle you can get with your money.
After pre-booking with Budget and spending 40 minutes in a queue after a horrendous immigration queue, we are definitely looking for a company where you can check in prior to arrival. Plus, we got a real hard sell from the rental agent. It was a complete contrast to our experience last year with Avis, who upgraded us for free cos "Y'all in Texas - y'all gonna need a bigger car!"Murphy_The_Cat wrote: »Accomodationwise, prebook the lot. I've found Homewood Suites/Embassy Suites/Staybridge Suites to be very high quality/excellant value - especially if you take advantage of the cooked breakfasts, evening 'welcome home' meals and free bar. Be sure to enrol for HHonors/IHG rewards beforehand as your stays can very quickly add upto a free night.
Whilst having a suite seperated by a door may seem a bit OTT, being able to put your children to bed and then being able to carry on doing other stuff has a value all of its own.
Now our kids are older, they tend to stay up at the same time as us, so one room works okay. However, a bigger room is better than a smaller one and if the sink is separate from the bathroom, all the better.
Wifi was a must - they want to keep in touch with friends at home and being able to Snapchat etc made for much happier kids. Plus, having wifi at most hotels made up for the lack of it in the National Parks. We took an adaptor with multiple plug sockets so that several phones, ipods, ipads etc could be charged at once.Murphy_The_Cat wrote: »Print out all reservations and take them with you. You probably won't need them, but if its 1.00 in the morning, your plans have changed and your dealing with someone whos first language isn't English, the printed sheets are priceless.
Also very useful if there is any dispute about a booking. The horse-riding company had lost our booking and it was much easier to get a refund once we could show them the confirmation email printed out.
We take a soft cool bag with us and some ziploc bags - you can fill a bag with ice from the hotel/motel and keep drinks etc cool all day. Also very useful for the odd room that didn't have a fridge.
Take/get some reusable water bottles - much better for the environment and there are drinking fountains everywhere. Plus you can fill with ice in the morning and have water that stays colder for longer on a long drive.
Pack light. There is going to be very little that you can't buy in the USA if you need it. This year we used packing cubes which were great - they keep all your stuff in one place in the case. Seriously, pack light - you do not need loads of clothes. You can do a wash for a few dollars in most hotels and that makes life a lot easier. You will probably want to buy t-shirts etc while you are there also.
Try Walmart or Target for souvenirs, especially sporting ones. There were Denver Broncos t-shirts for around $15 in Walmart, as opposed to $50 in the official store.
Finding restaurants in advance was really helpful for us. We didn't always go the places we had looked at but when you are travelling with a vegetarian, it is helpful to know if there are places that can feed them (not always guaranteed).
Try and go to a National Park if you can - they are beautiful (at least, all those we have been to so far!). This year, we visited Yellowstone, Grand Teton, Rocky Mountain, Arches, Canyonlands & Colorado National Monument and loved them all. If you can stay in the park, try and do it. Accommodation can be expensive but it saves a lot of driving in and out and you get to experience waking up in the park. Our stay in a stone cottage in Big Bend National Park was a real highlight of last year's trip to Texas."Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it. Don't wait for it. Just let it happen. It could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot black coffee."0 -
I'm now registered with Alamo Insider which means you can 'beat the queue' and collect your car without having to deal with the rental agent at arrival.
Avis Preferred takes me to a dedicated checkin point with shorter ( or non existent) queue.
Dollar Express doesn't work to well for me (I suspect it may be my old style green driving licence)0 -
This may be a daft question but I assume you have to rent via Alamo or Avis to skip the line?0
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Andypandyboy wrote: »This may be a daft question but I assume you have to rent via Alamo or Avis to skip the line?
Its a good question, not a daft one :beer:
You book with your car broker (or direct if it works better for you) and you'll get a Alamo reservation number..
Then select Alamo Checkin,
fill in your details, you'll get a confirmation back to you, print it off and you're set.
When you arrive at the Alamo parking lot, go to the relevant section to your booking, select your car, drive to the exit pass over your confirmation and credit card to the gate agent and away you you.
No desk agent, no hard sell, big time saver and you select the car/SUV you want. No extra money
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