The Baroness and the triple lock!

bigadaj

Sapphire wrote: »

It's not up to me – but it is well known, for example, that many millionaires and billionaires syphon off money and pay very little tax (if any). Put up taxes for higher rate taxpayers, who are much better off than poor pensioners, and who, despite moaning about how poor they are, have many more luxuries than pensioners ever did when they were working. Stop paying state pensions to those paying higher rate tax. Stop wasting money on foreign aid that is pocketed only by the very rich. There are many more ideas that could be employed.

Condemning the most vulnerable group, pensioners who are not well off, to poverty and destitution – after a hard-working (and hard) life in many case – would be cruel and heartless, and is not the way. I see this as someone who has seen parents and grandparents existing, and ending their lives, on a pittance. I'm sure you will expect the same as current pensioners when you enter old age, if you already have not (as an affluent pensioner).:cool:

Well that's fine then, we'll all move to your fluffy world then.

Presumably you are a Jeremy Corbyn supporter?

hyubh

Sapphire wrote: »

it is well known, for example, that many millionaires and billionaires syphon off money and pay very little tax (if any).

Put up taxes for higher rate taxpayers

Stop paying state pensions to those paying higher rate tax.

Personally I'd introduce a wealth tax on poshos who live in Kingston upon Thames - take the cost of a season ticket from Basingstoke to Waterloo and add a 5% pretension surcharge.

Condemning the most vulnerable group, pensioners who are not well off, to poverty and destitution – after a hard-working (and hard) life in many case

Yes, if there's one thing I associate the 1970s with, it's people who would become the pensioners of today working jolly hard as strikes hit historic lows, the welfare state got slashed, and market discipline ruled. For those higher up the food chain, boozy lunches were unknown and the skilful dedication of British corporate management made it the envy of the world.

Linton

Yes, it's all been downhill since the namby-pamby liberals closed the workhouses and the debtors prisons. And dont get me going about Asquith and Lloyd George - Old Age Pensions, Ridiculous.

Sapphire

hyubh wrote: »

Personally I'd introduce a wealth tax on poshos who live in Kingston upon Thames - take the cost of a season ticket from Basingstoke to Waterloo and add a 5% pretension surcharge.

Yes, if there's one thing I associate the 1970s with, it's people who would become the pensioners of today working jolly hard as strikes hit historic lows, the welfare state got slashed, and market discipline ruled. For those higher up the food chain, boozy lunches were unknown and the skilful dedication of British corporate management made it the envy of the world.

I've no idea what you are talking about, but clearly jealousy and spite – and a fair amount of hatred – appeared to be involved in your spoilt little world. However, suggestions such as that people like my parents and grandparents go on cruises (or holidays abroad for that matter), let alone several times a year, as is purported by many people with your foul views when they discuss pensioners, who have no idea how people like those in my family have to live, are absolutely ludicrous. Oh, and you appear to have a funny idea about the Seventies. :T

When it comes to me, yes, I did (and still do) always work incredibly hard, even when I worked in shops and a pub at the start of my working life. I was never on benefits, since I would take any job that was going before working my way into a career. Not sure what that's got to do with anything, though.

End of circular conversation, I'm afraid.

saver861

Consider why it was brought it in - aside from the 'bag of peanuts' rises. Pension income was deemed to be somewhat behind and thus was it not an attempt to rebalance state pension income?

However, I'm guessing not many assumed such low inflation for such a sustained period, leading to the disparity between 2.5% and inflation rate. Had inflation been hovering around 2% then its likely it would not be an issue.

I'm not so sure Madame May will want to diss it as yet. While she has a virtual walkover in the next Election due to no opposition, she will want to get a majority and wont want to risk alienating those voters. I'm guessing tho, if inflation carries on at a very low rate then the next parliament might just do a sly one with the 2.5% at some point. If inflation rises then problem has solved itself and Gov comes up smelling of roses.

hyubh

Sapphire wrote: »

I've no idea what you are talking about, but clearly jealousy and spite – and a fair amount of hatred – appeared to be involved in your spoilt little world.

Erm, at the risk of stating the obvious, it was sarcasm in response to your absurd 'soak the rich' comments. Living in Kingston upon Thames you are rich and privileged yourself, relatively speaking.

However, suggestions such as that people like my parents and grandparents go on cruises (or holidays abroad for that matter), let alone several times a year, as is purported by many people with your foul views when they discuss pensioners, who have no idea how people like those in my family have to live, are absolutely ludicrous.

Given your previous postings, did these grandparents (and even parents?) actually live in the UK for most of their working life - I wonder what your fellow Brexiteers think of the idea of higher taxes to pay for higher immigrant benefits...?

Oh, and you appear to have a funny idea about the Seventies.

By all means expand!

When it comes to me, yes, I did (and still do) always work incredibly hard, even when I worked in shops and a pub at the start of my working life.

Hmm, wording that implies you earn rather more now than you did when you were 20. Such a radically different pattern to most higher rate tax payers.

I was never on benefits, since I would take any job that was going before working my way into a career. Not sure what that's got to do with anything, though.

Erm, nor am I, but thank you for volunteering that information. Although, being a 3+ hour a day commuter up the South West Main Line myself, I'm still pretty keen on the Kingston wealth tax idea

bigfreddiel

How has this thread gone so far off track? My post was about Ros Altmann being two faced, now she's been sacked she's banging on about the triple lock. Why didn't she do this when in office and if she had been strong enough she could have changed it, outside of office she can't.

Apparently she did try while in office, but she obviously had no clout.

Cheers fj

saver861

bigfreddiel wrote: »

How has this thread gone so far off track?

No doubt you will start a new thread if it does .... or even if it does not!!!

hyubh

bigfreddiel wrote: »

My post was about Ros Altmann being two faced, now she's been sacked she's banging on about the triple lock. Why didn't she do this when in office

Erm, she says she did, but was also bound by cabinet collective responsibility and the fact she was only a junior minister. Calling her 'two faced' is the sort of personal abuse Waspis get into - knock it off.

bigfreddiel

hyubh wrote: »

Erm, she says she did, but was also bound by cabinet collective responsibility and the fact she was only a junior minister. Calling her 'two faced' is the sort of personal abuse Waspis get into - knock it off.

Sorry, I take it all back fj