How low will property go?

DividedNation

westernpromise wrote: »

It's being so cheerful that keeps you going. I blame Labour prime minister Tony Blair.

Unfortunately for your potty student activist theory, the highest paid 3,000 earners pay more income tax the whole bottom 9 million put together.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/tax/11233686/How-top-3000-earners-pay-more-tax-than-bottom-9-million.html

Reducing the top rate of tax from 50% to 45% resulted in their paying more.

The top 10% of earners pay 55% of the tax.

You just want everyone else to be as poor as you. It is why the voters will never let people like you near the levers of power.

How much of the NIC's and VAT do they pay?

What percent of the council tax do they pay?

Or tobacco duty?

Or beer duty?

OR car tax

OR road tax?

Or insurance tax?

or driving licence tax

or Passport tax?

Come back when you have the figures for those at your finger tips.

And I will tell you something else, you pay me 99% of the and I will all ny myself
pay 60% of income tax.


Deal?

You will to sharpen you your trick and lies cos I have heard them all before and know how they are done so I will further expose you as a con artist.

cells

westernpromise wrote: »

It's being so cheerful that keeps you going. I blame Labour prime minister Tony Blair.

Unfortunately for your potty student activist theory, the highest paid 3,000 earners pay more income tax the whole bottom 9 million put together.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/tax/11233686/How-top-3000-earners-pay-more-tax-than-bottom-9-million.html

Reducing the top rate of tax from 50% to 45% resulted in their paying more.

The top 10% of earners pay 55% of the tax.

You just want everyone else to be as poor as you. It is why the voters will never let people like you near the levers of power.

They believe those who are wealthy got to such positions in a underhand way so that its ok to RE-distribute the wealth. Its re-distributing not distributing because it was somehow taken from them to begin with...

I am happy for distributing some wealth but realistic enough to know there is a limit after which point its counter productive. the producers will produce less rather than work so more and more of their production can be distributed to those who produce not enough for their own needs/wants

cells

DividedNation wrote: »

How much of the NIC's and VAT do they pay?

What percent of the council tax do they pay?

Or tobacco duty?

Or beer duty?

OR car tax

OR road tax?

Or insurance tax?

or driving licence tax

or Passport tax?

Come back when you have the figures for those at your finger tips.

And I will tell you something else, you pay me 99% of the and I will all ny myself
pay 60% of income tax.


Deal?

You will to sharpen you your trick and lies cos I have heard them all before and know how they are done so I will further expose you as a con artist.

its easy to estimate.

The taxes collected (excluding corporation tax) pulls in how much?
£500 billion? 32 million workers. That is roughly about £15,500 in taxes per year for a ~45 year working life or about £700,000 in a working life for all taxes

Those that pay less than £700,000 in their working life are net takers. Those that pay more are net contributors.

For a couple or husband and wife, the figure is £1.4 million in taxes throughout their life to be net contributors. Clearly most couples never get to £1.4 million in taxes paid. That means that a few couples pay a lot more than £1.4 million so many people can pay less than £1.4 million.

economic

DividedNation wrote: »

How much of the NIC's and VAT do they pay?

What percent of the council tax do they pay?

Or tobacco duty?

Or beer duty?

OR car tax

OR road tax?

Or insurance tax?

or driving licence tax

or Passport tax?

Come back when you have the figures for those at your finger tips.

And I will tell you something else, you pay me 99% of the and I will all ny myself
pay 60% of income tax.


Deal?

You will to sharpen you your trick and lies cos I have heard them all before and know how they are done so I will further expose you as a con artist.

you sound like a moron. if people are not smart enough to make a decent living for themselves, they DESERVE to be poor. simple as that.

DividedNation

cells wrote: »

imagine someone who has never worked in their life, and has therefore never paid any direct taxes and lives off benefits. who has taken anything off them over the last 45 years as you put it?

It reminds me a story of a man I used to know. He was from a 3rd world country and sent back a sum of money monthly to his family for many years. Then he didn't anymore. Instead of being grateful for the years of support and free money they were receiving they were angry that the monthly payments has stopped

the odd world of entitlement. Give someone a regular payment/gift and soon enough they feel its theirs. Stop giving the gift and you have stolen from them or so they feel


the poor in the uk have it very good thanks to the DISTRIBUTION not RE-distribution of the wealth of the rich. I don't object to this distribution of other peoples wealth as I believe a lot of our lives are down to good or bad fortune but I am realistic enough to know a lot maybe most people dont feel like that so there is a limit on how much you can distribute of other peoples earnings and capital before either they say f.off or the economy responds will less production overall

Lets not drag the royals into it mate.

You are talking nonsense the rich life off the backs of the poor always have done, most have never done an honest days work.

The solution to the problem you describe is revolution and take all the rich mans wealth then he will be poor and have nothing to complain about.

The fact is over the last 50 years a tiny corrupt elite have been robbing everyone else and it is about time something was done about it.

People have had enough of being shafted.

The whole system is corrupt and is nearing the point of complete collapse.

The rich don't pay a penny they take out of the system they bleed society like huge leeches.

Inequality and injustice have gone too far, they have got too greedy.

A major downward redistribution of wealth is required.

The corrupt establishment is increasingly being rejected.

There is a revolution brewing.

cells

DividedNation wrote: »

OR car tax

Rich people and companies greatly support and subsidies cars for everyone else. So its not even just taxes where they contribute

They buy about £30 billion worth of new cars each year. On which they pay £5 billion in VAT. But not only that they also take the big hit in depreciation when they sell for half the price in 2 years time. So another annual £7.5 billion hit in depreciation.

Some may think they get enjoyment of this £7.5 billion annual hit but at least some of it goes as a benefit to the lower paid. If the rich didnt buy the new cars how could the poor buy the second hand cars a few years later for 1/3rd the price? If you take the fact that people NEED cars then if the rich did not take the big capital hit at the front the poor would have to take that hit. Or to think of it another way if we got rid of all the rich people the middle and poor people would have to pay more for transport costs.

DividedNation

economic wrote: »

you sound like a moron. if people are not smart enough to make a decent living for themselves, they DESERVE to be poor. simple as that.

You are in no position to be calling people morons.

DividedNation

cells wrote: »

Rich people and companies greatly support and subsidies cars for everyone else. So its not even just taxes where they contribute

They buy about £30 billion worth of new cars each year. On which they pay £5 billion in VAT. But not only that they also take the big hit in depreciation when they sell for half the price in 2 years time. So another annual £7.5 billion hit in depreciation.

Some may think they get enjoyment of this £7.5 billion annual hit but at least some of it goes as a benefit to the lower paid. If the rich didnt buy the new cars how could the poor buy the second hand cars a few years later for 1/3rd the price? If you take the fact that people NEED cars then if the rich did not take the big capital hit at the front the poor would have to take that hit. Or to think of it another way if we got rid of all the rich people the middle and poor people would have to pay more for transport costs.

Well give the new cars to the poor and the rich can have them when they have finished with them.

cells

DividedNation wrote: »

Lets not drag the royals into it mate.

You are talking nonsense the rich life off the backs of the poor always have done, most have never done an honest days work.

The solution to the problem you describe is revolution and take all the rich mans wealth then he will be poor and have nothing to complain about.

The fact is over the last 50 years a tiny corrupt elite have been robbing everyone else and it is about time something was done about it.

People have had enough of being shafted.

The whole system is corrupt and is nearing the point of complete collapse.

The rich don't pay a penny they take out of the system they bleed society like huge leeches.

Inequality and injustice have gone too far, they have got too greedy.

A major downward redistribution of wealth is required.

The corrupt establishment is increasingly being rejected.

There is a revolution brewing.

who have they been robbing?

the single mother who gets shagged by a dozen men when she is 17 and doesn't work a day in her life? what has she made or produced that someone took? no, they have been supporting her and her babies and her bad choices because they are quite moral

the disabled person who cant work? what of his did they take? no, they support said person from cradle to grave because they are quite moral

The mentally slow or lazy person who can or chooses to only get low paid work? what of their are they stealing? no they support said person throughout their life because they are quite moral


Whats far more accurate than your blind 'they are stealing ma wealf' is that as technology progressed society was able to and choose to look after its poor better and better. That further improvements wont come from a one off culling of the rich to distribute their wealth to you but from further improvements in machines medicine and infrastructure.

economic

DividedNation wrote: »

You are in no position to be calling people morons.

why not?

what would you say about me then? my net worth is around £800k. im only 33 and i have earnt this money in banking. would you say i was one of those corrupt people who never did any work?