Theresa May

saver861

kidmugsy wrote: »

I have no doubt there were some Remain campaigners who genuinely believe that it was the best option. However, there were many of those politicians who were playing a strategic career game, May and Corbyn being the two most obvious.

Absolutely agree in terms of May. She played a very shrewd game and she has won the pot. A reluctant Remainer that was totally nowhere to be seen during the campaign. She virtually had a foot in both camps ....

As for Mr Corbyn ... no I don't agree he was playing a strategic game ... I just don't think he is that smart. The man is living in a world of his own ...

The point was that these career hungry politicians playing such games is highly detrimental to Joe's and Jane's in the street.

datlex

GingerBob wrote: »

I trust she'll be calling a general election pretty sharpish. Chance then to vote her out.

Think folk have forgotten about the fixed term parliaments the coalition brought in. She can't call an election. It would need either substantial backing from MPs or the Act repealed. Do you really think the majority Conservative party will vote to have a new election and potentially lose seats?

Thrugelmir

saver861 wrote: »

Absolutely agree in terms of May. She played a very shrewd game and she has won the pot. A reluctant Remainer that was totally nowhere to be seen during the campaign. She virtually had a foot in both camps ....

Issues are rarely totally black or white. Westminster bubble is out of touch with ordinary people.

saver861

datlex wrote: »

Think folk have forgotten about the fixed term parliaments the coalition brought in. She can't call an election. It would need either substantial backing from MPs or the Act repealed. Do you really think the majority Conservative party will vote to have a new election and potentially lose seats?

Fixed term is for the normal term parliaments but elections can be called when there are special circumstances such as this. The opposition could never be seen to vote against an election, though it is the last thing Labour wants right now.

The Tories have a very slim majority and I think if May went to the polls she would gain seats at this stage - Labour would lose big. The current majority is too slim to push through many things that are unpopular, thus the temptation must be there to increase that majority as well as being a PM with her own mandate.

However, the Labour losses would get rid of Corbyn and if they get a credible leader and get their act together then they could make a good fight of the the next election in 2020 or so. Not what May wants.

So, she is stuck between going to the polls and getting her own mandate while risking inadvertently strengthening Labour. As long as Corbyn is there, the Tories are guaranteed the next election.

In addition, the current instability with Brexit means that calling an election would add to the uncertainty which could be further damaging.

I don't think she will call an election and unless someone like Owen Smith can get the Labour leadership then she will be there until 2025, unless she drops a clanger or the Brexit thing goes badly wrong.

OldBeanz

Owen Smith wants another referendum over Brexit. 70% of Llabour seats voted Brexit and I would guess many of the remaining 30% are under the Corbyn faction. Connecting with the voters?
There is no way JC is going to lose this vote and no way he can win the election. Labour are going to implode in some way.

gadgetmind

I recently pondered whether the next Labour PM has yet been born. Yes, this is how far detached from voters they are,

saver861

gadgetmind wrote: »

I recently pondered whether the next Labour PM has yet been born. Yes, this is how far detached from voters they are,

Ordinarily this would be when the Lib Dems would be capitalising .... they seem to be missing in action also .... the opposition really is a shambles and the only opposition party seemingly organised, and with it, is the SNP, who by their own policies and intentions do not wish to be part of the UK government in any case!!

Complete mess ....

bigadaj

saver861 wrote: »

Ordinarily this would be when the Lib Dems would be capitalising .... they seem to be missing in action also .... the opposition really is a shambles and the only opposition party seemingly organised, and with it, is the SNP, who by their own policies and intentions do not wish to be part of the UK government in any case!!

Complete mess ....

And even the snp position isn't looking that rosy.

North Sea is largely shutting down and certainly paying no tax as they aren't making any profit. This makes independence economically impossible, as the Scottish deficit is proportionately larger than the rest if the uk.

What do we want, independence, when do we want it, well not at the moment but an unidentified point in the future when the numbers look a bit better.

saver861

bigadaj wrote: »

And even the snp position isn't looking that rosy.

North Sea is largely shutting down and certainly paying no tax as they aren't making any profit. This makes independence economically impossible, as the Scottish deficit is proportionately larger than the rest if the uk.

What do we want, independence, when do we want it, well not at the moment but an unidentified point in the future when the numbers look a bit better.

Currently I think all the thing about a second referendum in Scotland is bluster ... though Brexit did change that a bit.

The oil price scuppers their prospects and Sturgen full well knows it. She does not want to go to the polls again - not for the foreseeable - at least until oil prices give them a fighting chance.

I don't see oil prices going any like they were at over $100 a barrel and definitely not the $140 it got to in 2007.

Is Scotland as an Independent country in the EU going to be better than being part of the UK out of the EU? They will be hedging their bets ..... Sturgeon is coming across as careful and calculating ... so if that is correct she will be doing her sums as we speak.