Composite entrance front-door

gilj

Hello,


I’m after an exterior door replacement (composite most likely) with a bar / knob (no lever) on the outside and a lever on the inside.
I've got pictures but as a new user I can't post them.


The door could only be opened from the outside with a key and with the lever from the inside (when no locked by key).

All the searches and websites I’ve been to offer the thumb turn as an alternative but I just don’t like idea of being able to open the door from the inside when I’ve closed it from the outside with a key.

Is this something anyone has heard about? Any help is much appreciated.


Regards

teddysmum

Our exterior doors are UPVC but both are lock with key only (no chance of being locked out, as with the old Yales, if you left the key indoors and the door slammed closed).


Don't doors sell as separate items from the locking mechanism ?

gilj

Yes, if you shut the door without the keys That's fine by me.


Well, I'd like to be able to open the door from the inside with the lever (when not closed with the key) and no lever outside (just the key).


Thanks

Furts

gilj wrote: »

Yes, if you shut the door without the keys That's fine by me.


Well, I'd like to be able to open the door from the inside with the lever (when not closed with the key) and no lever outside (just the key).


Thanks

I am not a locksmith but I think you are asking the impossible. A handle operates a latch, a key operates a lock. These are two different functions and two different sets of mechanism. Giving an analogy to a car - you do not expect the key to operate the handle to the door, nor render the door handle obsolete.

With a composite door, or a window, the handle operates the shoot bolt mechanism, for the lock to then lock it in place.

phil24_7

That is unsafe and will not be available. What if you lock the door from the outside and someone happens to be inside? What happens if there is a fire?

There will always be some way of locking/unlocking from inside and outside.

gilj

I think my message was not clear.
The door can always be locked/unlocked with the key from both outside and inside but you do NOT have a lever in the outside (just inside).


And that is more secure than thumbturns or leaving your keys on all the time.

phil24_7 wrote: »

That is unsafe and will not be available. What if you lock the door from the outside and someone happens to be inside? What happens if there is a fire?

There will always be some way of locking/unlocking from inside and outside.

Le_Kirk

gilj wrote: »

The door can always be locked/unlocked with the key from both outside and inside but you do NOT have a lever in the outside (just inside).

How, then, do you open the door from outside after you have unlocked it with the key?

teddysmum

Le_Kirk wrote: »

How, then, do you open the door from outside after you have unlocked it with the key?

With the old Yales (and new?) you used the key to unlock, then held it to keep the latch in the door, so you could push it open.


Doors did not need to be locked as closing was sufficient , but did result in people being locked out.


Inside, you opened with a knob, again holding while disengaging the door, with the extra option of an extra turn to fix the latch to make unlocking from outside impossible.

phil24_7

What you ask is possible I think, you need a key operated lock inside and out with a latch that is operated by the key. You would then specify an internal handle and nothing externally. A separate door pull would then be fitted outside (or maybe a separate door pull inside and out and no handles to operate the latch).