Showing cats

teddysmum

While at the vets yesterday, I had an interrupted (due to being called into the surgery) conversation with a man, who had paid £5000 for a kitten and was angry that the breeder (from the internet but actually a vet) wouldn't give him a pedigree document, saying he had all the paperwork required.


Just before I had to leave, he showed me a green form , pointing out that the section asking for a Kennel Club registration number was blank and I was able to explain that this applied to dogs.


To show a dog at anything but an exemption show the dog has to have a pedigree and be KC registered, so is there a similar requirement for cats (though I think he is entitled to a pedigree document after paying such a huge sum) ?

fairy_lights

teddysmum wrote: »

who had paid £5000 for a kitten

That's got to be a typo right, you mean £500? :eek:

pinkteapot

The main (biggest) cat equivalent is the GCCF (Governing Council of the Cat Fancy), which provide paperwork like Kennel Club paperwork for cats registered with them. Most shows are affiliated to the GCCF and the cat needs to be registered to be shown.

But £5,000???!!! :eek: Surely £500.

Breeder found online, claims to be a vet (any proof?) and doesn't seem to provide the correct paperwork. Doesn't sound good.

More info here: http://www.pets4homes.co.uk/pet-advice/choosing-a-pedigree-kitten.html

tea_lover

This reminds me of a story in the local paper a few years ago. A guy (A) was walking in the park in town, when he was stopped by another guy (B) who offered him a top of the range DVD player for £250. A thought this was a great offer, handed over a large amount of cash to a stranger and was then disappointed to find when he opened the box that he'd paid £250 for a box containing 2 argos catalogues.

What no one reading the story could understand was why he'd compounded his own stupidity by taking the story to the local press.

None of which answers the OP at all, I do realise , just made me laugh. Surely no one pays £5000 for a kitten.... and then tells people they've been that conned?

donnac2558

Okay, you should get a paper which shows the cat's parentage going right back on both sides. Signed by the breeder.

The slip of paper is for change of ownership if you want to show the cat or breed. The litter would be registered with the Cat Fancy but when a kitten is sold then the new owner sends the paper away with the fee. They get back another paper showing them as the official owners.

Most genuine breeders should insist that the kitten is neutered or sprayed and not bred from.

The only one I ever did change ownership for was my Sherpa, I got him free at a year old as he was returned to the breeder. This was just in case the original owners changed their minds I wanted to prove he was my cat.

Some very exotic breeds can go for massive amounts of money. My Zanzi's dad was a Grand Champion, but as I knew the breeder and he would only be a house cat got him really cheap. He is still going strong at 17.

teddysmum

He definitely said £5000,as I said I thought £500 (admittedly 12 years ago) was a lot to pay for one of my dogs.


I couldn't see the kitten, but I had the impression it was a Siamese or similar breed.


I was taken aback and said, 'How much? That must be a show quality cat,' and the man's wife said it was; hence my question about showing with no registration.


I told him I would never buy from the internet and that my dogs all (obviously not the rescue) came with pedigrees either hand written or typed then countersigned, by the breeder.


I imagine the form was a transfer of ownership, but didn't have time to see as the vet called me in,but the man mentioned something about getting a pedigree printed,as he wanted to know the lines his kitten came from.


At that price I would expect super-champ parents with a pedigree handed over by the proud breeder.


So cats can be spayed or castrated for showing, unlike dogs, who can get exception if they are sterile due to accident or illness, unconnected to their breeding lines ?

GwylimT

An actual show Savannah could fetch £5000 as with a reputable breeder they would be on the GCCF active register.

I used to show cats (persians), unless it is gccf registered the cat is 'just' a moggy.

teddysmum

GwylimT wrote: »

An actual show Savannah could fetch £5000 as with a reputable breeder they would be on the GCCF active register.

I used to show cats (persians), unless it is gccf registered the cat is 'just' a moggy.

But would they be entitled to a pedigree document signed by the breeder ? That was the man's concern, having rung the breeder a number of times and being refused.


Even dog breeders, I've known,who don't want their stock bred from, gave a pedigree document with an endorsement printed across it.

GwylimT

teddysmum wrote: »

But would they be entitled to a pedigree document signed by the breeder ? That was the man's concern, having rung the breeder a number of times and being refused.


Even dog breeders, I've known,who don't want their stock bred from, gave a pedigree document with an endorsement printed across it.

No, not unless the queen and stud are registered and the kittens are registered with gccf and the breeder agrees to give the new owner the paperwork.

Cat breeders don't sign any pedigree documents, the gccf issues a certificate, but the breeder can supply the family tree.

teddysmum

Things are probably ok, then, but he did want to know who the cats forebears are and you would expect a proud breeder to want to provide such information.