Cameron was wrong to resign...

CLAPTON

ukcarper wrote: »

What were you voting for when you voted leave and are you sure you are going to get it.

I would have liked a set of detailed well worked out plans by the government civil servants etc. Just as at general election I would like a detail set of well worked out plans by every party

However that wasn't what I was offered.

I had only two choices;
remain
leave

if I choose remain on the basis of insufficient data then I would never again in my lifetime have the option again as we know that labour, Lib Dem. SNP greens etc would deny any democratic vote on the matter.

So, no, I don't know what I will get but then I don't know what I will get with the EU : are you if favour of TTIP or in favour of Turkey joining or further expansion or ever closer union, or the collapse of Greece etc.

I can only vote on what is on the ballot slip.

ukcarper

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Well the announcement is going to continue to be that Leave voters are idiots who have set us back decades.

No need to wait.

CLAPTON wrote: »

I would have liked a set of detailed well worked out plans by the government civil servants etc. Just as at general election I would like a detail set of well worked out plans by every party

However that wasn't what I was offered.

I had only two choices;
remain
leave

if I choose remain on the basis of insufficient data then I would never again in my lifetime have the option again as we know that labour, Lib Dem. SNP greens etc would deny any democratic vote on the matter.

So, no, I don't know what I will get but then I don't know what I will get with the EU : are you if favour of TTIP or in favour of Turkey joining or further expansion or ever closer union, or the collapse of Greece etc.

I can only vote on what is on the ballot slip.

You still haven't said what you want ans that and I might and your irrelevant questions.

CLAPTON

ukcarper wrote: »

You still haven't said what you want ans that and I might and your irrelevant questions.

Ok what I want
-the UK parliament to make out laws, always accepting that international agreement do impose some restrictions
-for immigration to be limited to the 10s of thousands
-to trade as freely (i.e either low of zero tariffs) as possible with all countries of the world
-to reduce non tariff barriers to trade again with all countries of the world

discat11

CLAPTON wrote: »

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if I choose remain on the basis of insufficient data then I would never again in my lifetime have the option again as we know that labour, Lib Dem. SNP greens etc would deny any democratic vote on the matter.

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If anyone had any doubts whatsoever in the referendum the only logical choice would be to remain since that was/is the status quo.

The argument you'd never have had another choice is abject nonsense - Whilst other parties may well have vetoed a referendum, there is currently a Conservative majority and there have been (from 1955-2015) 3 Conservative administrations and 2 Labour, with them running the UK for 27/19 years respectively.

The Tory party will always have a eurosceptic wing and therefore it's inconceivable had a large number of tory mps wanted a referendum vote they'd not have got one in a future administration.

This result if it's 'advice' is carried through is almost certainly non reversible and will last a great deal longer than 5 years.

It's no argument to say you were confused and would never have had the chance again to vote out.

discat11

I'm willing to bet we never see a net immigration figure even approaching 10's of thousands in my lifetime.

This was farage's claim and almost certainly as realistic as the rest of the stuff they've immediately backtracked upon.

The nation was sold a pup.

zarf2007

mwpt wrote: »

Yes you do. People do it all the time.

Cameron would have been the wrong person to lead the country going into the negotiations. I can't see how anyone can think otherwise. He bought some time for you leavers by resigning, so you should thank him for that at least.

It sounds very much to me as though you realise there is going to be a bit of a mess and you want to scapegoat the person who opposed your views. I can't really see another reason for wanting someone who wants the opposite of what you want to bargain on your behalf. It makes no sense.

If thats the case then why didnt he say before the referendum that he would quit if he lost? he blatently lied in PMQs.

At the end of the day I only wish he had stayed (more than 3 months) to provide some additional stability, of course he would have to hand over to someone but I don't think on the day of the result was a good day to throw in the towel...

CLAPTON

discat11 wrote: »

If anyone had any doubts whatsoever in the referendum the only logical choice would be to remain since that was/is the status quo.

The argument you'd never have had another choice is abject nonsense - Whilst other parties may well have vetoed a referendum, there is currently a Conservative majority and there have been (from 1955-2015) 3 Conservative administrations and 2 Labour, with them running the UK for 27/19 years respectively.

The Tory party will always have a eurosceptic wing and therefore it's inconceivable had a large number of tory mps wanted a referendum vote they'd not have got one in a future administration.

This result if it's 'advice' is carried through is almost certainly non reversible and will last a great deal longer than 5 years.

It's no argument to say you were confused and would never have had the chance again to vote out.

I had some doubts about 'remain' so I vote 'leave'.

HiToAll

of course he was right to resign, he doesnt believe in leave so why would he take us in that direction if he doesnt have to.

Also, he is thinking that why would he want to be the one to trigger Art 50 and really crp on the country, when he can leave it to the idiots who believe in leave.

Tigsteroonie

I'm confused. I keep hearing on the news that Prime Minister David Cameron has gone to Brussels to talk ... but didn't he resign a day or two ago?

If he's still Prime Minister, then it's his job to start the process of leaving the EU, which includes invoking Article 50, as democratically voted by his electorate and as he said he would do.

If he's not still Prime Minister, then he can just butt out and go to the back benches where all the non-cabinet MPs sit. I'm sure he has a deputy. That person should be going to Brussels etc.

He's either still in the job, or he's not.

zarf2007

discat11 wrote: »

If anyone had any doubts whatsoever in the referendum the only logical choice would be to remain since that was/is the status quo.

The argument you'd never have had another choice is abject nonsense - Whilst other parties may well have vetoed a referendum, there is currently a Conservative majority and there have been (from 1955-2015) 3 Conservative administrations and 2 Labour, with them running the UK for 27/19 years respectively.

The Tory party will always have a eurosceptic wing and therefore it's inconceivable had a large number of tory mps wanted a referendum vote they'd not have got one in a future administration.

This result if it's 'advice' is carried through is almost certainly non reversible and will last a great deal longer than 5 years.

It's no argument to say you were confused and would never have had the chance again to vote out.

yes and follow the other sheep in this country who are content with things as they are even though the EU screw us over at every opportunity.

In 2 years time when we are prospering and have global trade deals and the EU is a broken mess you remainers will owe us an engraved apology.