Sign this Petition to trigger a 2nd EU Referendum

Bigphil1474

The same group of people who were eligible to vote in the EU referendum (give or take), were the same group of people who voted in a Conservative Government in 2015, that gave us the referendum. If we try and overturn the referendum result, why don't we go the whole hog and cancel the last general election result as well. This petition is daft - I voted remain, we lost, that's democracy in action.

andymandy

We voted, we got a result, we should stick to it.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

The GOV will not change its mind on it. a 4million strong petition just got slapped down in flames.


I was torn 50/50 on how to vote and in the end I voted leave.


I've been inundated with e-mails tweets and god knows how many facebook please to try and change this decision. Its not democratic, its political suicide to even try and stop this decision to leave go through.


Everybody had their say, its no good saying XYZ lied to us, its upto everyone to solely verify the claims being told to us, "I was only doing what i was told to do because someone said so and now it turns out I was told wrong" is not basis for another referendum! politicians didn't become politicians because of honesty and integrity being part of a politician is bending truths.

ManAtHome

When the petitioners are bandying about numbers like 60% and 70%, surely they should be getting a lot more than 4 million votes (25% of the remain vote, hell of lot less of the total vote).

And both sides lied to us (but then to be expected - politicians, boe, 'economists' etc)...

AndyJ52

Bigphil1474 wrote: »

The same group of people who were eligible to vote in the EU referendum (give or take), were the same group of people who voted in a Conservative Government in 2015, that gave us the referendum. If we try and overturn the referendum result, why don't we go the whole hog and cancel the last general election result as well. This petition is daft - I voted remain, we lost, that's democracy in action.

I, for one, am not in the cohort who voted for the Tory party last year. I have never voted Conservative and never will. Vile bunch of self seeking nasties. That said though, we can overturn the 2015 election choice in 2020 - or maybe sooner.
However, the referendum was a 'once in a lifetime' vote. No second bites 3/4/5 years down the line if we don't like the direction of travel. Now, having voted as a country to withdraw from the EU that outcome, and it's implications, will be with us for many years to come!

I have been appalled by the tales that I've heard about how casually some people treated this vote. I've heard a number say they did the iny-meny-miny-mo deliberation test in the Polling Station and others who actually thought they were choosing between Dave & Boris! :mad: EU? Whassat? :huh:

But the people who've really disappointed/shocked me have been the one's saying 'Well I voted to leave ..... but I wanted to stay. I can't believe we're going to come out!!!!' !!!!!!!

What an indictment of our poorly informed and politically ill educated population. What has gone so dreadfully wrong here in the UK that people are so disconnected/unaware of what is happening in their own worlds?

All I can say is thank the Lord that I've got a career/job that allows me to work almost anywhere in the world and the ability to speak 4 languages quite well. If this place tanks ........ at least I have an exit plan - which is more than can be said for the Vote Leave bunch mendacious of ne'er do wells.

anotheruser

AndyJ52 wrote: »

...at least I have an exit plan - which is more than can be said for the Vote Leave bunch mendacious of ne'er do wells.

That's right, because everyone who voted leave are all a "ne'er do wells" <-- whatever that is.

What disappoints me is the amount of people who simply have sour grapes about it.

The same disappointment shows when I hear many from the Remain side talking down our country, suggesting "when it tanks". It will only do so if the people keep taking that point of view. Realise the potential and we'll be better than fine in 10 years time.

marleyboy

I voted LEAVE because I wanted to LEAVE. I have no regrets and should I need to vote again (although happily I wont need to) I will still vote LEAVE.

I hated that the Tories got in (only by offering a referendum), but gracefully accepted it, no need to throw my toys out of the pram about it, another GE will come along which will be my opportunity to boot out the Tories. I wont feel the need to demand another GE if I am not happy with that outcome - some of us just accept with grace the results as they stand.

AndyJ52

anotheruser wrote: »

That's right, because everyone who voted leave are all a "ne'er do wells" <-- whatever that is.

What disappoints me is the amount of people who simply have sour grapes about it.

The same disappointment shows when I hear many from the Remain side talking down our country, suggesting "when it tanks". It will only do so if the people keep taking that point of view. Realise the potential and we'll be better than fine in 10 years time.

You have, in part, misunderstood my post. That's probably my fault for not making my points clearly enough.

1) I made the point that a referendum is done deal. No going back, no overturning the result, it's a once & for all decision. I contrasted that with GE's which allow us all to 'think again' and switch allegiances at the next GE if we dislike the way our initial choice of party has been governing.

2) My disappointment is felt, & was expressed, about the number of people that I've encountered since the referendum who seemed to cast their vote in what might be considered a somewhat cavalier fashion. Five people actually told me that they couldn't decide where to put the cross so they did the 'iny-meny-miny-mo' deliberation test! The lady who thought the choice was between Boris & Dave chose Dave, but wasn't sure 'what job it was that he was after'. I'm not making this up! I would imagine that any right minded person would find the behaviour of people who voted one way but actually wanted the opposing side to win as astonishing! However, at no point did I characterise ALL those who voted Leave as having made an ill judged decision, I was merely expressing my disappointment and surprise at the lack of appreciation some people appeared to have had for how serious a decision it was that we were all being asked to make. That's all.

I did go on say that I figured it was an indictment of how poorly politically educated and aware some people are. You may think that that was an unfair or harsh criticism and that people should be as engaged/disengaged as they want to be. Well OK, but I don't believe that that situation delivers anything good for anyone in the long run. I feel that people need to be engaged to enable them exercise some control over their lives - whatever their circumstances.

I'm sure that you do understand the expression 'ne'er do wells' and in my post I was using it to describe Boris, Gove, Redwood, Grayling, Stuart, Leadsom et al because it was they who ran a particularly untruthful and misleading campaign i.e. £350m for the NHS, reduce immigration & have access to the single market.... though Michael Gove did indeed say that he wouldn't seek access to single market, thereby eliminating the free movement of people issue. Seems odd to say that you'd isolate your industry from 40% of it's market without further expansion on the line of thinking - but I digress.

Maybe describing the future of the nation in terms of 'tanking' is inappropriate and if it caused offense then, of course, I apologise. That said, I do have grave concerns, honestly held, about the future economic outlook for the UK and for the internal problems that the referendum has exposed. Not just the alienation the post industrial areas of the country are clearly feeling but also the rise in hate crimes, the potential for the break up of the UK altogether and the very deep divisions of opinion between the stay/go sides, each set of views held with equal sincerity.

As to the remark about 'sour grapes' ... well if that's how you view what I said..... I can't help that. However, I will continue to espouse the value of membership of the EU because that's what I believe would be the best way forward for our country. After a GE, those on the opposition benches don't say 'you won so we won't say anything for the next five years' do they? They continue to make clear what they believe in ........ and so, I think, will the Remainers throughout the negotiations for Brexit. Just as your side is nervous about Brexit being in someway undermined I have concerns about negotiations being too heavily influenced by zealots pushing for a 'hard Brexit'. To express our views and press our case is, I'm sure you'll agree, our right in a democracy whether you see the free expression of an opposing view to your own as sour grapes or not.

Jake0307

The referendum is only advisory anyway. Since when did it become a binding document?

A.Penny.Saved

I voted out and do not regret that. Accept it, you if you wanted to stay in that corrupt, corporation controlled regime, that is destroying public health as it sees fit........you lost!