Sign this Petition to trigger a 2nd EU Referendum

chickenof_thesvariety

Really - those that are signing the petition are unintelligent? I've heard kids saying they signed to leave...why you ask? Oh that's it because they saw it on facebook.

I don't think it is a matter of that the nation voted and now we want to re-consider because it didn't go the way we wanted it...it is because it was too large an issue for many to grasp its implications...and many threw the baby out with the bathwater, or followed some nationalistic notion they heard somewhere at seemed to make sense?!? Maybe they were a bit angry because they've been telling themselves for so long, they don't have that job because the poles have taken it (why are places hire Poles with broken English to be waiters, if there are good Brits to do it?) , maybe their friends told them to on facebook and maybe Boris Johnson told people some little white lies - but it seems rather clear that this was a large decision. Maybe one that needed some real thought, dialogue (true that is), dissection of the issues and whether there were other means to resolving large parts of it - before such a decision of such magnitude was left out there with people not able to grasp the enormity of it. It is too big and its ramifications will be in this country, with these people for longer than their mind took to come to a decision...it will affect millions of people adversely, with no way of reverting back. But staying gave options for many of the issues - so people are upset that immigrants are using NHS and not paying...there's a proposed system to have them work for a number of years before accessing it. But, if you moved here from Germany 3 years ago - have children and a job...what options are there now that the country has made this decision? Or how about a couple who have worked all their lives or for years in this country, want to retire abroad but can't now? I personally know people who worked for years and planned to travel and work abroad last year, the wife contracted cancer right before - had to go through chemo, radiation, and years of remission before that can be broached again - tell me, what can happen to help them? Companies that will have to re-work trade agreements, and may cut jobs because of import taxes. Tell me, how will your vote to leave accommodate this?

This issue was too large and it was allowed to have issues that had ways of resolution - if the process was handled in a way that wasn't so black and white which allowed sometimes ignorant people to make a decision from facebook, an impassioned response because of something they heard on TV about our EU fees (which was incorrect), nationalism (misplaced) and this dictated a decision too large for one vote. It is like asking children to decide if their school should offer courses to prepare them for university, when they get to a higher level. You're asking someone something that may affect them but they're not sure how right now, and if it is appropriate for them or really what they're weighing up exactly.

A better way would be to ask kids what they want to do when they grow up, encourage debate and questions - but don't ask them to grasp it all in one session or understand how their decision today will affect them long after, and many of their peers and those that follow. I don't mean this as an insult to people who said leave or stay - like their children...only that it is asking for people to make such a large decision, with snippets of information and using one impassioned issue to dictate more than just that issue...you don't like immigration? Fine...but does that mean companies are affected, those about to retire are affected, those who have been living here for 5 years with homes, jobs and kids are affected, those whose dreams are crushed. Does this not seem like you are asking children to consider more than they're capable because the personal implications are too large and too much is unknown?

robin58

This petition has more fraud attached to it than the MP's expenses scandal!!


1.2 million people voted more than the remain camp to leave.

It's now a done thing. The Government in the Commons today say the ' Brexit' is going ahead.

So what ever you are ranting about now is pointless.

We all now have to live with it and direct the future.

Plus chickenof thesvariety if you don't like things the way things are and the stupid people in your eyes need to be educated, why don't you get into politics instead of being a keyboard warrior.

mjm3346

I like the idea.
As the leave vote has won under the existing rules the question for a further referendum would be "should we join the EU" and that would then need a 60% upwards vote on a 75% turn out so handing the advantage to the "remain out" supporters.

Anthorn

I didn't sign the petition because it's a matter of public record that it has been signed by those who are not eligible to vote or are even not resident in the UK.

However I do support it because it's clear that some people who voted have changed their minds. Also without a second chance to vote the result of the referendum will always be questioned. If this was France there would have been a second vote anyway.

sillyvixen

Democracy has spoken ... now get on with it.

SevenOfNine

Anthorn wrote: »

However I do support it because it's clear that some people who voted have changed their minds. Also without a second chance to vote the result of the referendum will always be questioned. If this was France there would have been a second vote anyway.

It will only be relentlessly questioned by the 'remain' side because, frankly, you LOST. Get over it, stop whinging for a second chance to vote, then third, then fourth, on & on until you finally understand........we've been asked & 'leave' voters were not actually stupid enough not to have thought about it, weighed up in/out, then voted accordingly. One chance was all that is required, we don't need another. If you feel you do, tough.

While I'm having a rant, I'm sick of that vile nasty Michael Heseltine opening his mouth & vomiting vitriolic bile.

Marktheshark

Here is some advice to Remain voters.

SHUT UP :

Here is why :

There will be no Brexit, they will kick it in to the long grass and ignore.

You get your second referendum which will be after the Greek and Spanish Defaults and decision to let Turkey in and you lose again.
They wont be able to ignore it as what was kicked in the long grass will be back on top.

So Shut up, there will be no Brexit and keep your heads down.

GingerBob_3

Marktheshark wrote: »

Here is some advice to Remain voters.

SHUT UP :

Here is why :

There will be no Brexit, they will kick it in to the long grass and ignore.

You get your second referendum which will be after the Greek and Spanish Defaults and decision to let Turkey in and you lose again.
They wont be able to ignore it as what was kicked in the long grass will be back on top.

So Shut up, there will be no Brexit and keep your heads down.

I sincerely hope so, but instead we'll have perpetual uncertainty and chaos. These bloody politicians have a lot to answer for. What on earth was Cameron thinking of when he forced this referendum on us.

OldBeanz

GingerBob wrote: »

I sincerely hope so, but instead we'll have perpetual uncertainty and chaos. These bloody politicians have a lot to answer for. What on earth was Cameron thinking of when he forced this referendum on us.

Because the EEC we voted to join is completely different to what we are in now. Cameron did not force the referendum on anyone, that's one of the reasons he was elected. We can influence Parliament but not the EU parliament.

Fishingtime

Anthorn wrote: »

However I do support it because it's clear that some people who voted have changed their minds. Also without a second chance to vote the result of the referendum will always be questioned. If this was France there would have been a second vote anyway.

A-Too late to change their vote now.
B- We are not in France