Deutsche Bank toxic derivative losses

DaveandMayu

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Like RBS. Too big to allow to go under (if they ever do). The German Government will bail them out. Meanwhile the balance sheet will continue to contract in size,

50 Trillion is one hell of a bailout

And after 2008 the people won't stand for it again

LHW99

50 Trillion is one hell of a bailout

And after 2008 the people won't stand for it again

Thought it had to be a "bail in" first these days?

Thrugelmir

DaveandMayu wrote: »

50 Trillion is one hell of a bailout

And after 2008 the people won't stand for it again

What's the bottom line position? Lehmans UK went under in a media storm. Barclays traded the book out profitability.

Farmer_Johnson

AG47 wrote: »

Everybody is getting worried about the too big to fail German DB as it is actually failing.

It is not too big to fail, it’s only you who is saying this.

Do you genuinely not understand collateralisation, margin, and the effect of most deals being cleared?

Farmer_Johnson

DaveandMayu wrote: »

50 Trillion is one hell of a bailout

And after 2008 the people won't stand for it again

You think that the banks were given fifty trillion?

Where do you get such an idea from, as it’s clearly not true?

AG47

Farmer_Johnson wrote: »

You think that the banks were given fifty trillion?

Where do you get such an idea from, as it’s clearly not true?

I think he means that is what it will take to bail out this next time if DB is another Layman moment.

AG47

Apple down by billions.

The stock market heading for another dive,

How much can these derivatives take before the next 2008 on steroids

antrobus

AG47 wrote: »

Apple down by billions.

The stock market heading for another dive,

How much can these derivatives take before the next 2008 on steroids

Derivatives don't 'take' anything.

The losses that one party makes, are matched by the gains made by the other.

P.S. The Apple share price is not a derivative.

AG47

Malthusian wrote: »

Ah, "green shoots". A phrase most recently used by Baroness Vadera in 2009, for which she was roundly mocked and criticised. She said she saw "green shoots of recovery" at almost the exact bottom of the market (January 2009), and she was proved 100% correct by the ensuing 9-years-and-counting bull market.

Previously it was used by Norman Lamont in October 1991, again to much criticism. The 1990-91 recession ended that very quarter, proving Lamont 100% correct.

I don't advocate market timing, but if there's a recession and/or stockmarket crash on, and you have a load of cash which you're scared of putting into the market, and

1) a politician says they see "green shoots"
2) everyone else in politics and the media crucifies them for being delusional / out of touch,

past performance says that it's time to bash on the wine gums.

If "green shoots" was supposed to suggest delusional optimism, I think you need a better phrase.

China going down a lot today, this is not good for the derivative time bomb.

Looking even worse for DB and the toxic derivatives

Malthusian

AG47 wrote: »

Looking even worse for DB and the toxic derivatives

Ist DB noch zusammengebrochen?