What is going to happen to UKIP?

chucknorris

Now that they have achieved their main objective, do they have any future as a political party going forward?

HornetSaver

UKIP was an alliance of voters who have far less in common than the old Liberals and SDP ever did, and the main source of agreement has come to pass. They'll survive, but on the domestic issues they're going to have to start nailing their colours more firmly to the mast, and they'll haemorrage support as a result of whatever path they choice. Ironically that might actually help them under FPTP though.

westernpromise

UKIP could replace Labour, easily. I don't think the abyss Labour is staring into is understood. This referendum was won in Labour's heartlands, with Labour disagreeing with its own voters.

teddysmum

TV interviews have suggested that Labour may be ousted by a party made up of UKIP, to which some Labour members have defected and Labour party members, who are wavering over supporting their party in its present form.

Conrad

My sense for a while is that UKIP has more or less replaced the starrey eyed Corbynista infiltrated Labour party


Labour can only come back from this if they ditch all the Milibands, the Yvette Coopers, the Dianna Abbotts, and instead get Frank Field, Giesela Stuart and John Mann in charge - that would be a class team. Sorry for offence but the jocox fraternity are everything that is wrong with Labour - interested in FA and Africa and migrant and PC minority issues and virtue signalling far too much of the time and utterly deaf to the real problems of mass immigration and wage compression (people don't want NMW they want big wage rises)


Who bets Burnham will once more feel which way the wind is blowing and change his message yet again?

StevieJ

westernpromise wrote: »

UKIP could replace Labour, easily. I don't think the abyss Labour is staring into is understood. This referendum was won in Labour's heartlands, with Labour disagreeing with its own voters.

It depends if those same voters realise that they were lied to by the Brexit campaign. If things don't get better for them, who they gonna call?

HornetSaver

I'm not even going to bother quoting the post, but condoning a political killing is always a good way to win a political argument...

Thrugelmir

chucknorris wrote: »

Now that they have achieved their main objective, do they have any future as a political party going forward?

Time to reform Westminster. Politicians of all camps have shown themselves to be out of touch with ordinary people. Political parties no longer represent a 21st century electorate. Time to debate PRP again. The referendum shows that people will vote if their voice can be heard and actually means something.

cells

well if they want to become a proper political party they need a name change. politics is in flux at the moment almost anything can happy. A two.5 party system will survive but its not guaranteed to be labour/cons/libs

michaels

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Time to reform Westminster. Politicians of all camps have shown themselves to be out of touch with ordinary people. Political parties no longer represent a 21st century electorate. Time to debate PRP again. The referendum shows that people will vote if their voice can be heard and actually means something.

Quite agree, we need 2 elected chambers, a fully written constitution and a bill of rights.

PR is always the tough one as you then end up with party lists and venal politicians who are impossible to get rid of and gerrymandered districts the majority of which never change hands. There must be a good system I'm just not sure what it is. Have you seen any international examples that seem to work well?

Generali

Conrad wrote: »

My sense for a while is that UKIP has more or less replaced the starrey eyed Corbynista infiltrated Labour party


Labour can only come back from this if they ditch all the Milibands, the Yvette Coopers, the Dianna Abbotts, and instead get Frank Field, Giesela Stuart and John Mann in charge - that would be a class team. Sorry for offence but the jocox fraternity are everything that is wrong with Labour - interested in FA and Africa and migrant and PC minority issues and virtue signalling far too much of the time and utterly deaf to the real problems of mass immigration and wage compression (people don't want NMW they want big wage rises)


Who bets Burnham will once more feel which way the wind is blowing and change his message yet again?

I've been saying this for a while. Labour has lost its way as its reason to exist, a party for organized labour to support, has long gone. A working class person in Wigan or Wakefield (other hell holes are available) wants to have meaningful work and good services and doesn't really give a damn what modern Marxist theory has to say about the conditions of the working classes in rural Mali.

UKIP provides a solution: stop the foreigners taking your jobs and your school places and all will be right with your world.