Elite 11+ shopping and chat thread

durham05

hi all on the washing stuff glitch in T v A the fairy & ariel liquid 40 wash is approx £10.90 for 4 bottles. hth someone.

davemorton

squigs wrote: »

Don't panic DM, there aren't any poltergeists!!:eek:
I deleted the first one because I thought I had made a mistake and then reposted it, when I knew I hadn't!

Well if you do want to delete it, just tell me, I can change my replys/quotes. Its your choice.
(But I still get an extra large monkey with blood )

durham05

also did the comfort intense 64 wash, 8 bottles for around £10. after brand match & 25% off. ta op who brought it over from hduk as i had seen it earlier and never read it properly.

henrik777

Savvybuyer wrote: »

Oh, the pound is now 1.201 euros. It was 1.213 early Monday evening when I checked. I believe that 1.17 is the point at which the UK goes from being the fifth largest economy in the world to the sixth. I shall be watching and, of course, posting the very second I find it is. It's my new special interest - I'm just finding the fallout and events fascinating and interesting to watch:o - but, actually, I've not been posting as not wishing to go on and on about it but really it is one of the most important (if not the most important) things to affect money-saving and should be one of the things that we are all interested in. If fuel prices rise (they have not done yet but I suspect 2p a litre will go on them sometime this week - although maybe the supermarkets have been overpriced and charging more than they 'should' so may be able to keep them at the same level for a little longer) and if food prices go up due to the increased cost of imports (a weaker pound etc.) - which won't happen immediately but I expect will happen over time - and we import a sizeable proportion of our food - then it will affect us all. Of course I am scaremongering am I not? Of course there will always be 'special offers' and loss leaders, of which we can take advantage, and may be other comparisons/glitches etc., that will be around and still available even if some prices may over time generally rise.

Good for exports and little effect on home grown/produced goods. Will be interesting to see the trading ranges in the next month or so.

durham05

also just noticed in eBay there is an offer to opt into for 75% off fees n free listing had to look at bottom of page for offer think it lasts for 1 week approx.

3Dogs

davemorton wrote: »

Well you do know, that even when you dont post, you are still 'part of it'

Savvybuyer

Let me just come out with it - let's face it I'm going to say it sooner or later, I've been trying not to but I just cannot resist - and if you don't want it, then just skip:cool: or if not then maybe read and it may be interesting.

I think the greater mass of people have made the wrong decision. However, I don't think that that decision should be changed - instead I think, at the end of it, I come back to what has been credited to Abraham Lincoln (replace the word "law" with "decision" - and should say "... to enforce it strictly" at the end):

http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/the_best_way_to_get_a_bad_law_repealed_is_to_enforce_it/

(I don't know why that is now going to another website, which I originally posted but the link above, if you copy it into your browser, assuming it appears for you the way I'm seeing it, should go to another place which explains that there's no evidence Lincoln said it after all, so I've corrected my own previous misunderstanding.)

I think the result should be absolutely carried out and carried out to the highest possible degree, so that the true and full (what I think to be) bad consequences of the decision are fully experienced and shown and pointed out right in front of the eyes of the people making the decision until such point as they accept that they got it wrong. If however they are right and I am wrong, then it simply will be a good thing, in accordance with their wishes, and everyone - me and them - will be happy. But, if not, then I am right and it will be shown to them that they were, indeed, wrong. I believe that, eventually, people will be clamouring to get back in. It won't happen immediately but, by the time it does, it will probably have gone so far that it will be difficult, at that point, to do so and, even if we then apply to get back in, we will be in a much weaker position.

I said, earlier in the year, that I felt like voting to leave just because I wanted to see David Cameron leave office. However, I came to my senses long before polling day itself and voted to stay in. I believe I made the right decision. I did so because I felt that there was a real risk that leave might actually win. And, as it turns out, once again, I was right in that assessment. It did actually win - and therefore there certainly was a real chance of it doing so, as indeed it did. (I didn't really want to leave. And wanting to see a change in Prime Minister - though I'm actually a bit sorry for him now that he is going - was not a good enough reason for voting to leave when I didn't really want to see that happen.) On my journeys out and about, I saw lots of posters for "leave". I didn't see a single one for "staying in" and it seemed to me that leave might win. This was across Northern England, the North West, the West and East Midlands. I think the Westminster elite missed this as they only travelled around London. They were paying no attention to what was happening in provincial England.

There were many reasons why people voted leave, and immigration was only one of them for some or many people. I think that the current situation will now see an increase in immigration in the short and medium term and possibly longer term too. It will therefore, I think, achieve the precise opposite of what many people wished or thought would happen as a result of voting leave. [EDIT: I notice I haven't actually explained why I think immigration will increase and then go back to the same levels as at the moment, in other words not reduce at all. However, I do have my considered reasons as to why I think this, even though I haven't set them out.]

I think the decision to leave is absurd and completely lacks any sense and, therefore, for that reason, it must be absolutely and fully carried through so that its full and true absurdity can be completely experienced and shown. I can think of at least 20 good reasons for staying in but only about 3 for leaving. I think it will now waste days, months and years of Parliamentary time trying to pass all the legislation. They will get virtually nothing else done. This is not just to take us out but to pass new legislation to cover gaps left that are currently covered by EU regulations. It will impact on every one of numerous areas covered by the EU treaties and powers, all of which will have interest groups needed to be consulted, and which work well at the moment, with EU and domestic enforcement mechanisms but which, without the underpining, will lead to numerous conflicts in law and trying to sort out what is and isn't already covered will take so much time as to be almost impracticable. I look forward to the absurdity and impracticality of it all being fully realised. I think it will take at least three Parliaments, if not four, to resolve it all - unless power is passed to the executive or to some committee to sort out, which will then be devoted to that task for over a decade. To work out and to remove or revise 43 years of the impact of European legislation will be a much longer task than anyone will think.

I've no sympathy or emotional support for any people who voted to leave who have already regretted doing so. That's as much tough luck as it is for me not getting my own position carried out. I'm afraid it does now allow me to sit back in my immaturity and just laugh at people and their own stupidity for not making a considered decision in advance. Such as "I voted leave because I didn't think it would win". Doh! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: Well, what do you expect to happen if people vote for something? Or, the other one that got me, I voted leave but I regret it - I was surprised when David Cameron left. That one absolutely cracked me up. To me, it was absolutely obvious and completely inevitable, even to a person looking the other way, that if the vote was to leave, that David Cameron would have to resign. Staying in the EU was a fundamental part of his Government's direction and a result against that would so fatally undermine that, as well as his authority, that he would have no option but to go. That would be clearly seen by anyone that had any modicum of knowledge about these matters at all but, clearly, there are people that are so totally uninformed. However, it's no excuse that democracy was ill-informed: it's up to people themselves to take the time to research the facts and form their own view based on that and, if they vote without that information, then that's their own fault.

I think the leave campaign did not expect to win, have not thought through the issues, and, although they some of them claim to have a plan, they have shown me no evidence of doing so. I think that, sooner or later, they will encounter the reality that they will not get what they think and I look forward to that realisation hitting them. We've seen them assuming they can have informal talks and then start the formal countdown to leaving - however Angela Merkel wants them to press the button first. No informal talks:rotfl:. Good. I hope there is complete stalemate and that it persists for as long as possible.

I do not want there to be stalemate of course and I want things to be extremely well. However, I do not think it will be. It will not be Armageddon - it will not be as bad as that but it won't be very good. As for the however much money we send to the EU, subtract from that the £2 billion pounds lost yesterday in the worth of the taxpayer's holding in Lloyds Bank. It may recover, but it does indeed seem to me that far more money will be lost than ever would have been paid, net., to the EU over the same time. I think there is more to be lost over the years, and that our payments to the EU would over that time will have been absolutely dwarfed by it. The government will have no control over the devaluing of its shares.

The irony is that it's suggested that people did not trust the Westminster elite, that there was/is a disconnect between people and Westminster politicians (not least because most of them support staying in whilst the majority of the voting population has voted to leave) and yet it is Westminster that people have voted to entrust. No longer the EU to save us from these disconnected politicians at Westminster (not the EU was any less disconnected)! It's said to have given Westminster sovereignty, however it will be an illusory form of "sovereignty" (definition: supreme power or authority) as it will be forced to accept EU rules in order to have access to the EU single market and therefore will have no power, or control, over those rules at all - indeed they will be set at meetings at which the UK is now absent. It's a theoretical kind of sovereignty that Westminster will have - and I've just laughed at what someone on the TV from another country has just said - "that's now an internal British problem":rotfl:. Yes, it now is - not their problem anymore, it's now ours!

So far, everything is coming to fruition in the way that I would wish, to show people how bad this decision to leave is. And people will not like me if, and indeed when, I now say that I want to see jobs going abroad too. Good. I want to see them going - until the point that people realise how bad the decision was and seek to change it. People will dislike me, I will be infuriating, especially if it affects yourself or your own family, however I would not have wanted that to happen and indeed did not vote for it to happen. However, I think that people got it wrong and it needs to shown to them, clearly, what the consequences of that are. It won't happen immediately and it will happen, I think, over time and incrementally so that people might not pay attention and notice it as much - but, nonetheless, I think I will happen.

There are people who have been saying they wanted their country back and, indeed, it worked, prior to 1973. However, that was a much changed world from now, when there is increased interdependence and co-operation across countries and what one part of the world does affects us too. Of course, we will still co-operate - but I think nowhere near as effectively as would have been the case as a bloc and many important decisions will start to be taken without us and now out of our hands and influence. I think that "getting your country back" (when it was never, in my view, actually taken from you in the first place - it's my country too and I don't believe it was taken away from me when it was/still is for now part of the EU) will pale into insignificance compared to the negative effects that, I believe, will - over time - result from the decision.

So, I just watch now, with my own immaturity (obviously, as I have a postgraduate degree: "immature" definition - "lacking education") and finding it hilarious when people realise things that were obvious to me all along. I hope that the UK leaves the EU in the most protracted and difficult way possible and in a way that undermines its own interests as much as possible and achieves almost nothing of benefit and everything of detriment. Basically, to left with virtually the same position as it is already, having to accept all the EU laws, but with no longer any influence over them, with roughly the same amount of immigration as before, if not increased, and such a minor and theoretical sovereignty as to be not worth it at all. Alternatively I'm wrong and everything will be fine.

It'll work out. After decades - but it will completely not be worth the effort at all and will have achieved so little of benefit for ourselves and left us with a smaller economy and little influence (indeed little control - in fact that repeated slogan is itself one that I find infuriating myself, mainly because of its plain rhetorical manner with which it is trotted out without any evidence for it at all) that it will be hardly worth it.

However, one thing is that, in the long run, if we'd had a decision to stay in, there would not have been any change at all but we would have just carried on with the way we've been doing things (and not satisfactorily - given the remoteness of Westminster policians from some people) whereas this will ensure change and, in the long run, that may be a good thing to come from it. Of course, falls in the economy will affect myself too and indeed if I'd converted my net worth into dollars (not counting my house), I'd probably need £2000 more today to get the same amount so, in that sense, I've already lost £2000 as a direct result - and I'm losing more whenever the pound goes down. However, as I don't change my currency, it doesn't have an effect on me in that sense. Also, if house prices fall, that's theoretical as it doesn't affect you until you sell your house and then, when you move into another, the price of that will also be cheaper so won't have the impact of having to find more money, or borrow more, to pay. As I see it - maybe I'm wrong as I'm not an expert (but maybe that's good, as people don't listen to experts - and neither did I, really, I made my own choice).

I just continue to laugh at people and the things they now come out with. Another one that cracked me: someone that didn't seem sure why they voted out, when it was pointed out the negative effect it might have on them, replied "well... the British stiff upper lip":rotfl:. In other words "we'll get through". :rotfl::rotfl:I think it will take more than an appeal to a caricature that has no bearing other than in your own mind to help the situation!

If I've infuriated or upset anyone, well, that's tough! And, if that's disrespectful, then so what. I don't want to start any debate, as that's already over, and whilst I'm always happy to answer any questions, I see little point in raking over issues that have already been decided.

Savvybuyer

henrik777 wrote: »

Good for exports and little effect on home grown/produced goods. Will be interesting to see the trading ranges in the next month or so.

Hmm, interesting. And correct too - at least the first part: the second, I think, probably mostly correct. As I've just mentioned above now, I don't want to start, or get into, any debates - as we could otherwise literally just talk about this forever. The thing, as I see it, is that we aren't actually as big an exporter as an importer. As for home-grown goods, yes, to an extent - however home-grown goods are produced by companies that may be home-grown or may be run from elsewhere or may have bases elsewhere and may be affected in other parts of their operation and this does have an effect on their ability to operate in this country. All companies, even home-grown ones, are affected by this - through the general economy, interest rates, borrowing etc., just as we as individuals are also affected. Although I acknowledge you did say "little effect", not "no" effect (maybe I'm again picking on an individual word:o), but I don't know - maybe more of an effect than a little one? Interest rates could, of course, go either way.

How many goods are actually "home-grown" these days? We've more gone out of manufacturing and producing our own goods, due to declines in our own manufacturing industries over several decades, and into service industries - services incidentally being things that are probably more difficult to negotiate over in trading agreements for exports.

Savvybuyer

durham05 wrote: »

also did the comfort intense 64 wash, 8 bottles for around £10. after brand match & 25% off. ta op who brought it over from hduk as i had seen it earlier and never read it properly.

Just reminded me. The Comfort 85 washes should be Avs M at £3 at the moment, on un-updated information: however, as they are not on msm for M, I'll let people now know they have now gone up to £4 in M. They never made it to the list even at £3 anyway as not, these days, seen as good enough by me. HTH.

Savvybuyer

Actually I might live in one of the cities that had one of the biggest proportions in the country that voted to leave...

(So, I am certainly in a minority around here. Again, as usual. I'm obviously out of touch with most people in my area. And, as I thought the overall result of the UK might be that leave would get more votes, it came as no shock to me when that happened.)

Anyway, that's enough of me disrupting this thread with this political story, when you've just been chatting among yourselves very nicely and without some highfalutin and always academic person like myself coming in. I'm sorry - I just can't do social chit-chat, I just don't how:rotfl: - and everything for me is this way (I never make a contribution to a conversation in RL ever unless it is about some academic point - I suppose it can get annoying (here I go again, considering it academically:rotfl:) and that's just the way my life is - and it can also make for some interesting and rewarding discussions:cool:).

:rotfl::rotfl:

I may at times come across as if I'm a stick-in-the-mud and only interested in academics and not able to relax or have a general conversation. However, once again, the impressions are misleading - I really love to relax, sit down and socialise (in my own way:rotfl:) and I have a wicked sense of humour!