WASPI Campaign .... State Pensions

Silvertabby

Had a letter from my MP regarding WASPI debate in Parliament on 5 July.

He says that the debate was completely unprecedented as on this occasion the room was completely full and officials had to bring in extra chairs with many MPs having to stand. He says he has never witnessed this before in all his time in Parliament.

He says the WASPI campaign is gathering momentum:j and he has signed the cross party early day motion along with 183 other MPs. :T Posted by Pennylane

Do calm down dear - nothing will come of this.

Do you really think Parliament will agree to the WASPI demand that women born on or before 31 December 1959 will be paid their (backdated) State pensions from age 60, but women (and men) born from just one day later - 1 January 1960 - would have to wait until they are 66 plus?

The equalisation of State pension age programme may not be perfect, but at least it didn't factor in a 6 year cliff edge!

Mortgagefreeman

Pennylane wrote: »

Had a letter from my MP regarding WASPI debate in Parliament on 5 July.

He says that the debate was completely unprecedented as on this occasion the room was completely full and officials had to bring in extra chairs with many MPs having to stand. He says he has never witnessed this before in all his time in Parliament.

He says the WASPI campaign is gathering momentum:j and he has signed the cross party early day motion along with 183 other MPs. :T

The EDM's about as useful as the 'WASPI pledge'

After Mhairi Black, and the SNP, saying they'd give WASPI their full support, they've now decided not to. No financial assistance from them, as there's more important things to finance.

https://www.snp.org/scottish_taxpayers_shouldn_t_have_to_pay_twice_to_fix_westminster_s_mess

So the Con's say NO. Labour say YES, but only on a 'cost neutral basis' so that's another NO, and the SNP, that'll be a three NO's

bmm78

If you'll pardon the pun, at what point does the penny drop with WASPI supporters that the "supportive" MPs are interested far more in political kudos gained from paying lip service to the campaign, than they are in achieving a workable solution to the issue?

I suppose if the SNP debacle hasn't done that, the answer in many cases is probably "never".

Pollycat

bmm78 wrote: »

If you'll pardon the pun, at what point does the penny drop with WASPI supporters that the "supportive" MPs are interested far more in political kudos gained from paying lip service to the campaign, than they are in achieving a workable solution to the issue?

I suppose if the SNP debacle hasn't done that, the answer in many cases is probably "never".

Yes.

Mhairi Black got her face known back in January 2016 when she supported WASPI.

Pennylane - is she still on your side?

Malthusian

bmm78 wrote: »

If you'll pardon the pun, at what point does the penny drop with WASPI supporters that the "supportive" MPs are interested far more in political kudos gained from paying lip service to the campaign, than they are in achieving a workable solution to the issue?

The WASPI leadership already knows, but the MPs' grandstanding keeps the donations flowing in from their supporters. It dupes them into thinking progress is being made towards them getting their thirty grand. So they keep donating - even though some of them can't really afford it (and WASPI consciously refuse to help them by pointing them towards the existing benefits they can claim) - so that the leadership can continue to swan around in first class and appear on TV.

It's classic advance fee fraud tactics. The big payoff is just around the corner, all we need is one more payment and then you'll have your share of the Nigerian prince's money.

It is also a classic case of misallocation of loyalty. WASPI's supporters imagine that it is they and WASPI leadership together against the MPs. In fact it is WASPI leadership and the MPs together against WASPI's supporters. From this alliance the MPs get publicity, and WASPI leadership get donations to spend on champagne. WASPI's members get nothing but their wallets drained.

Andy_L

Pennylane wrote: »

Had a letter from my MP regarding WASPI debate in Parliament on 5 July.

He says that the debate was completely unprecedented as on this occasion the room was completely full and officials had to bring in extra chairs with many MPs having to stand. He says he has never witnessed this before in all his time in Parliament.

He can't have been there very long then. Since there are about 440 seats for 650 MPs then (even allowing for Sinn Fien never turniing up) its frequently standing room only in the chamber

colsten

Andy_L wrote: »

He can't have been there very long then. Since there are about 440 seats for 650 MPs then (even allowing for Sinn Fien never turniing up) its frequently standing room only in the chamber

You can add that the July 5 debate was in Westminster Hall, which has significantly less capacity than the House Of Commons Chamber. I would say there's room for about 100 MPs max. The standing room in this particular debate was mainly taken up by some WASPI campaigners.


Westminster Hall debates are not of the same importance as debates in the main chamber. For example, no votes can take place in Westminster Hall debates, meaning that no decision can be taken.

Mortgagefreeman

So it’s not been a good couple of weeks for the WASPI’s. Labour didn’t offer them anything worthwhile,Tories have offered nothing, and to make life worse their latest Petition seems to have stalled.Just to add icing to that WASPI cake, they’ve been getting a right slagging off on Twitter.

dunstonh

Mortgagefreeman wrote: »

So it’s not been a good couple of weeks for the WASPI’s. Labour didn’t offer them anything worthwhile,Tories have offered nothing, and to make life worse their latest Petition seems to have stalled.Just to add icing to that WASPI cake, they’ve been getting a right slagging off on Twitter.

I should give you a slapping for bumping this thread However, I would have to slap myself too as I have effectively bumped it again.

badmemory

You 2 initially did my blood pressure no good at all! I saw this raising it's (ugly) head again & thought please who's let them back on here. Thankfully I was wrong & my blood pressure has gone back down but I feel an ominous "but how long for" coming on. So I need a slap too for bumping it yet again!