How to vote in the EU referendum

Kohoutek

globalds wrote: »

Perhaps you should be asking about Greek , Spanish or Italian young people ?

So I take it that your answer is you don't care.

OldBeanz

Kohoutek wrote: »

So I take it that your answer is you don't care.

He does care about being part of an organisation where the largest country, against Euro rules, is economically running the other countries into the ground. Our youth unemployment is too large as it is now but it is easier to employ a 23yo who is earning 10 times as much as he could in his own country than employ an 18yo straight out of school.

globalds

Kohoutek wrote: »

So I take it that your answer is you don't care.

Then you are picking up the wrong end of the stick .

Asking if your kids want an extra blanket as you tuck them into their bed's on the titanic after you have hit the iceberg is not care.
It is blindly ignoring the obvious.

Europe is not fit for purpose.It can not exist financially in the present state ..It is in transit now and if you force any of the pro Europeans into a corner they will have to admit that ..Without a federal reserve and a unified monetary system you can not correct imbalances that will only ever put more pressure on and only has one solution ..Or two if you count the break up.

The whole world has been kicking a can down the road on the issue of sovereign debt ..But having financial independence gives a country the legs to kick with ..UK , USA , Japan , China ..All printing money to keep things rolling along ..European states ..Especially the Likes of Greece , Spain ,Italy and I would suggest France is now sitting in that territory too ..

To use the analogy of the Titanic ..Europe is now dead in the water ..Pretty soon it will become as obvious for everyone else what is obvious to the guys like Greece on the lower decks ..That no matter how hard the bailing out is being done ..It can not stop the ship from going down.

Climbing into a lifeboat might be considered hardship compared to the soft furnishings of the ship ...But it is the long term well being I care about ..A vote to remain is the option of playing the music louder and dishing out more free champagne and pretending everything will be fine.

Kohoutek

globalds wrote: »

Europe is not fit for purpose.It can not exist financially in the present state ..It is in transit now and if you force any of the pro Europeans into a corner they will have to admit that ..Without a federal reserve and a unified monetary system you can not correct imbalances that will only ever put more pressure on and only has one solution ..Or two if you count the break up.

They have a 'federal reserve', it's called the European Central Bank and a unified monetary system, it's called the euro.

globalds

Kohoutek wrote: »

They have a 'federal reserve', it's called the European Central Bank and a unified monetary system, it's called the euro.

Ha ha ..You keep telling yourself that as the imbalances grow and Germans moan about paying Greek debts yet love that they can sell cars with an undervalued Euro.

Kohoutek

globalds wrote: »

Ha ha ..You keep telling yourself that as the imbalances grow and Germans moan about paying Greek debts yet love that they can sell cars with an undervalued Euro.

Of course there are imbalances, but we are not part of the Eurozone. I don't see why that is such a compelling reason to leave the EU.

globalds

Kohoutek wrote: »

Of course there are imbalances, but we are not part of the Eurozone. I don't see why that is such a compelling reason to leave the EU.

It is an experiment that has run for over 50 years

It is also an experiment that for those running it seems far more ideologically driven than economic.
It also has trended towards further legislation to legitimise itself and also defend this supra organisation from being countered .

Quite simply if we don't do it now ..Then the beast will change and one of those changes will be to take out article fifty.

The world has changed too quickly for the European model ..It is a cumbersome creature that whenever it is tested on it's resolve or unity is always found wanting.

The immigration issue is nothing more than another problem waiting to happen for Europe ..It is Europe in it's present state that is the problem ..This migration issue is not from Syria or Iraq or Afghanistan ..It is a demographic problem ..Populations on the Southern borders of Europe are booming.
Population growth in Syria is over 2% ..doesn't sound much ?
It means after all this bloodshed and exodus ..the population is pretty much what it was before they all started pushing each other around and five million fled.

Ten years or less from now there will be boat loads of Egyptians seeking a better life as all the indicators such as child birth , unemployment and opportunity are all showing the same signs.

Each Nation needs to determine at which speed and how far along the path it will travel.
Europe because of the union will never be the same ..We know how to talk more and sabre rattle less. But there is no common European culture ..We are closer to the Anglosphere than many areas of the European union.

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Poor Martin backed the wrong horse in this race.
He'll just have to wait a little longer for his gong.