Dulux Endurance+ Nightmare (Salsa Red)

JustAnotherSaver

Now before the usuals start up with oh no another job another problem ...
I've been painting without having any trouble with the colours....
Dulux Endurance+ Blue babe ...... no problems
Dulux Endurance+ Mineral Mist ...... no problems
Dulux Endurance+ Timeless ...... no problems
Dulux Endurance+ Natural Hessian ...... no problems
Dulux Pure White Matt ...... no problems.

In all cases the first coat pretty much covered the surface (some times the surfaces were plaster, either that had been built out from brick or direct on to plasterboard, other surfaces were wallpaper) where the second coat just filled in any bits that hadn't taken great the first time round.


I've come to paint the chimney breast & it was incredibly patchy after the first coat.
Just painted up the second coat & it's still patchy. The areas that were dark are still dark, the areas that were lighter are still lighter.



So I read the reviews on B&Q http://www.diy.com/departments/dulux-endurance-salsa-red-matt-emulsion-paint-25l/271012_BQ.prd

And it seems these problems aren't just happening with me.

I was going to ask if reds are notoriously difficult to use but then i remembered i painted a wall in the box bedroom with Crown's feature wall paint (discontinued) red & 2 coats was job done - nice & even.

It seems B&Q are phasing this paint out, it was on special offer more than the rest.




Not really sure what to do here. I take reviews with a little pinch of salt after seeing a program about them on TV one time. Any of you worked with this stuff?

Any other red paint that isn't too dark (but not post box red) that anyone here can rate as being good to work with?



As for why i'd been picking Endurance+ ... i figured it'd be better than standard emulsion when it comes to knocks & scrapes??



EDIT: The photo is a little poor. It doesn't show up the unevenness as good (or bad) as it looks in person.

EDIT: Although as bad as the reviews are on B&Q, Amazon reviews go the total opposite way https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dulux-Litre-Endurance-Paint-Walls/dp/B00K6AEKBY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1464859686&sr=8-1&keywords=dulux+salsa+red.

On B&Q it's mainly complaints over needing a million coats (& even then still being patchy at times) with the odd 1 or 2 saying great stuff
On Amazon it's mainly comments saying great stuff with the odd 1 or 2 saying you need a million coats.

JEN22

I used endurance last year. I found it a bit thin and watery. Difficult to just give a wall 2 coats of paint. A year later I am redoing our living room as it loos like its only had one coat


Waste of money of you ask me. Go for normal matt emultion by Dulux

JustAnotherSaver

Thanks for the reply.

To be honest, i did the bulk of the living room in Endurance+ Natural Hessian and it went on perfectly, both when cutting in & also when rollering. The coverage was very even.
There were patches once it had dried that hadn't quite covered. Really small areas really & a second coat got these no bother.
It now looks totally even as far as paint goes. It's only the uneven plastering that stands out now.

I did the hall in blue babe which didn't look like the tester pot, but this went on just as even. Switched it for Mineral Mist and this also went on even. 2 coats, job done.

Did another section of the hall in Timeless (all Endurance+ range btw) & ok it's basically white, but this also went on perfectly fine - this one was on to wallpaper. I'll get away with 1 coat of this stuff.

I didn't find any of those paints particularly watery to work with, neither did i find them particularly thick/gloopy.

The Salsa Red on the other hand - the moment i started cutting in i had a feeling i was going to have trouble.
Then i started rollering it & that feeling got worse.

Then it dried & i wasn't optimistic over a 2nd coat.

Then i applied the 2nd coat & thought what the hell is going on here?!


Oh & i opted against standard emulsion as i didn't want to have paint that scuffs up easy. We don't have kids, but still.

JustAnotherSaver

Oh and in case it gets suggested - yes i mixed it well in the tin. I have a paddle mixer thing which i use with a drill & i mix it for a good few minutes before using.

Silver-Surfer_2

Try thinning it slightly.

JustAnotherSaver

Don't take this the wrong way

And aside from the obvious

But what would that do?

Like i said, i don't find that it's particularly thick/gloopy, or even watery. Not really any different from the other Endurance+ colours i mentioned that i'd used & they were perfectly fine.

So if i said - this stuff is real thick & i can't roll it out without it glooping up in areas & not drying, then i could understand the thinning it out.

Just wondering how thinning a paint that i don't feel is particularly thick will help in this scenario.

Again, not challenging you, just asking for more information.

Hoploz

3rd coat perhaps?

Doozergirl

I'd put another coat on it. I wouldn't always expect a very strong colour to take on 2 coats.

Is it bare plaster still, or did you mist coat it with a lighter colour?

JustAnotherSaver

Doozergirl wrote: »

I'd put another coat on it. I wouldn't always expect a very strong colour to take on 2 coats.

Is it bare plaster still, or did you mist coat it with a lighter colour?

This particular wall was plasterboarded.

I went with a mist coat, 50/50 to begin with. Dulux SuperMatt White. On the watery side i know but at the time it was the advice i was given.

I then did at least another 2 coats with a 1:5 ratio as stated on the paint tub. It may have even had a 3rd because when i'd do a wall, if i had any mixture spare i just applied it elsewhere.

It stayed like that for a few weeks until yesterday when it got painted red.



And i understand "3rd coat maybe" but when it's patchy as hell unlike the other colours & you read online reviews stating 5-6 coats & still patchy, you begin to think you're going to go down the same road.

Kiran

Strong colours frequently take more coats than lighter ones Mist plus 2 for normal colours. Mist plus 4 is frequently the case for colours like red, orange and purple.

JustAnotherSaver

You're supposed to mist the top coats too?

I've just been painting direct out of the tin. It's worked fine so far for everything else. I thought you were only supposed to mist the SuperMatt to seal the plaster?

Or is it more of a guide & not a rule thing to mist the first coat of the top coat?