Multiple Notice To Keeper recieved

m1lky12

Umkomaas wrote: »

They should deal with each ticket in its own right, and you should do the same - appeal each one individually. Where they would be likely to put them all together is if they were to pursue this to court (which is doubtful, but with multi tickets it becomes a more viable opportunity as the cost of doing so would be virtually the same as pursuing just one).

You've read things right, the IAS is far from impartial. Fewer than 20% of appeals are upheld whereas with POPLA (which is not open to you) a better than 50% success rate is reported.

In terms of your 4th NtK - it really doesn't matter on what basis you appeal to the PPC, the outcome is almost inevitable, in fact I'd suggest they will hardly read it - I've seen very few IPC PPCs uphold initial appeals.

But you can put your marker down on this as PoFA requires that the details of the NtK must be the same as those on the NtD. The fact that you have the NtD in your hand doesn't implicate you as the driver. The driver could have handed you the NtD to deal with when he/she handed the car back to you after your kind loan to them!

Cool I'll follow yours and the newbies thread advice then! Reading a few differant threads on here I'll be avoiding the IAS appeal as well. So thanks for that!

Rather than appeal as such is it wise to send a letter stating explicitly that I wasn't the driver and how each ticket falls down in terms of keeper liability/PoFA etc as I'd seen mentioned in a thread from a few days ago and any further correspondence would be deemed as harassment? Though I didn't see mentioned how that went down.

Seems like the establishment who have passed on my info to NPC are attempting to clamp down, a few other people I know who have parked there have received these tickets recently as well as a new version of the NtD which seems in include alot more information such as fine amount etc. Though I did check in earlier to have a look exactly what the signage says and its so out of date it still claims NPC is a registered member of the BPA!

Johno100

m1lky12 wrote: »

Seems like the establishment who have passed on my info to NPC are attempting to clamp down, a few other people I know who have parked there have received these tickets recently as well as a new version of the NtD which seems in include alot more information such as fine amount etc. Though I did check in earlier to have a look exactly what the signage says and its so out of date it still claims NPC is a registered member of the BPA!

Are their tickets also out of time for keeper liability?

As regards your last point, a company can be a member of the BPA trade association but be an authorised operator as regards ticketing with the IPC, yes it can be confusing.

m1lky12

Johno100 wrote: »

Are their tickets also out of time for keeper liability?

As regards your last point, a company can be a member of the BPA trade association but be an authorised operator as regards ticketing with the IPC, yes it can be confusing.

I'm not sure I haven't seen their letters, just people have mentioned knowing people who've had several come through their door in a matter of days. It's a busy car park which many locals don't tend to pay to use so I'm sure the company are clamping down before the summer season where they'll be getting a constant flow of tourists paying to use it.

And I think I saw somewhere that NPC finished their association with the BPA late last year to cosy up with the IPC and their lax appeals system, in which case their signage is out of date. Though I could be wrong!

getmore4less

From what you are saying there were no real notice to drivers just a don't park here type of thing on the car.

Does than not make the NTk fall outside the initial service period to issue them as well as any period if they had been proper NtD, looks like they just issue them on the chance people would take the bait.

looks like they may have used the same DVLA access to issue all the NTK rather than a separate request for the specific dates(keeper could have changed).

what are the rules on that?

Umkomaas

getmore4less wrote: »

From what you are saying there were no real notice to drivers just a don't park here type of thing on the car.

Does than not make the NTk fall outside the initial service period to issue them as well as any period if they had been proper NtD, looks like they just issue them on the chance people would take the bait.

looks like they may have used the same DVLA access to issue all the NTK rather than a separate request for the specific dates(keeper could have changed).

what are the rules on that?

One access per ticket.

http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/dvla-reverse-position-on-charging-to.html

nigelbb

The DVLA don't like being cheated out of their £2.50 per request but importantly it's a requirement of POFA 2012 to uphold keeper liability that a request for keeper details is made for each parking event.

m1lky12

Thanks for all of the replies and info guys, it does make me feel a lot more at ease with the situation reading how far outside of the rules these guys are trying to play.

getmore4less wrote: »

From what you are saying there were no real notice to drivers just a don't park here type of thing on the car.

Does than not make the NTk fall outside the initial service period to issue them as well as any period if they had been proper NtD, looks like they just issue them on the chance people would take the bait.

Yeah I do use the term NtD very loosely in this instance, they really are as generic and unofficial as you can get, I'll be sure to include that when I complain/appeal.

pappa_golf

this guy is really struggling https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/07630266/filing-history


I suspect that he has not got the funds to press this to court , hell if gladstones do his paperwork , and !!!! up as per normal the will make him broke




4 separate IPC appeals AND check with the DVLA that this guy has actually requested your info 4 times

m1lky12

pappa_golf wrote: »

4 separate IPC appeals AND check with the DVLA that this guy has actually requested your info 4 times

Just wondering if there are any advantages of actually appealing via the IPC? Seen many threads and posts suggesting it's a one way street in terms of impartiality favouring the PPC and its just another company on your case.

pappa_golf

or a very flawed reply , that can make their system look stupid if it ever got to court and was reads out.