Nordica Alu Clad French doors and windows

simon_strange

I am looking at ordering an all clad French door and window. I like the look
of Nordica but can't find any reviews.
Does anyone have any experience of this company.

Furts

No experience and no knowledge.

Going off on a tangent I am sceptical of these products in general. Suitability for the UK climate, cost, interticial condensation, thermal differences between the alu and timber, drainage details and so on.

New home builders tend to avoid such products. I do not know, because I have never needed to research the details... but I suspect one would have to jump through hoops to get these products past NHBC to meet their Technical Standards. In fairness CE Marking and EN number may be there and tick the boxes.

Bottom line is look carefully and check suitalility, plus accreditation and independent verification - such as BS Kitemark. If BBA is thrown back at you, or similar, be wary and savvy.

Plus if your new post status is testing the market for a business venture you will see from my response that some serious homework on your part is required!

Hope this helps.

System

Furts wrote: »

No experience and no knowledge.

So why bother commenting?!

Aluclad timber windows are prevalent in low enery/passive construction because of their performance and durability, volume house builders don't put them in because they are expensive, not because they don't comply with British building regulations!
You will find almost all manufacturers based in the uk have the relevant eurocode certification for compliance with regulations - iirc the nordica ones are secure by design certified too.
I have specified nordan windows on houses that also have nhbc warranties - at least 8 individual houses completed in the last 4 years that I can think off the top of my head.

You seem very scared of any advancements in technology, this misinformation is similar to your nonsense on any construction method other than masonry...

Furts

the_r_sole wrote: »

So why bother commenting?!

Aluclad timber windows are prevalent in low enery/passive construction because of their performance and durability, volume house builders don't put them in because they are expensive, not because they don't comply with British building regulations!
You will find almost all manufacturers based in the uk have the relevant eurocode certification for compliance with regulations - iirc the nordica ones are secure by design certified too.
I have specified nordan windows on houses that also have nhbc warranties - at least 8 individual houses completed in the last 4 years that I can think off the top of my head.

You seem very scared of any advancements in technology, this misinformation is similar to your nonsense on any construction method other than masonry...

Re read my post and reflect on Nordica being a manufacturer IIRR in Poland. Hence you cannot say "all manufacturers based in UK...."

Also re-read my post and you will see I mentioned cost. Large builders do not use these windows because of their cost. we agree they are expensive.

Nowhere in my post did I say the windows did not meet the Buildings Regulations.

Passiv/low energy houses are a separate topic. A niche market comprising expensive and to many people an irrelevant method of construction. My house meets, approximately, the requirements for Passiv. Was it built to passiv costs and passiv products like alu-clad windows? Of course not because this is not necessary.

System

Furts wrote: »

Re read my post and reflect on Nordica being a manufacturer IIRR in Poland. Hence you cannot say "all manufacturers based in UK...."

Also re-read my post and you will see I mentioned cost. Large builders do not use these windows because of their cost. we agree they are expensive..

Ahh i see, so you weren't saying that the builders don't use these windows because of some (made up) implication that they don't meet nhbc requirements?!
I must have missed the part when you said they don't use them because of the costs - but at least you qualified your post by saying you have no knowledge or experience...

Furts wrote: »

Nowhere in my post did I say the windows did not meet the Buildings Regulations.

Numerous parts of your post hint that you don't think they would meet regulations, why bother mentioning anything about their performance when you don't know anything about them, you could address your scepticism by reading up on them rather than bumping your gums to someone that clearly has less knowledge than yourself!

Furts wrote: »

Passiv/low energy houses are a separate topic. A niche market comprising expensive and to many people an irrelevant method of construction. My house meets, approximately, the requirements for Passiv. Was it built to passiv costs and passiv products like alu-clad windows? Of course not because this is not necessary.

Not really relevant - op has asked about alu/clad windows which are widely used in low energy/ passiv situations, you are claiming that they are not widely used because the only bar you seem to have is the dross produced by volume housebuilders, it's ok for the op to put in a well performing durable window/door set, maybe they have different priorities than volume house builders...
"passiv costs and passive products" is absolute nonsense - if you understand what the end goal is, things can be achieved without any huge additional costs - just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it should be dismissed.

Furts

the_r_sole wrote: »

Ahh i see, so you weren't saying that the builders don't use these windows because of some (made up) implication that they don't meet nhbc requirements?!
I must have missed the part when you said they don't use them because of the costs - but at least you qualified your post by saying you have no knowledge or experience...





Numerous parts of your post hint that you don't think they would meet regulations, why bother mentioning anything about their performance when you don't know anything about them, you could address your scepticism by reading up on them rather than bumping your gums to someone that clearly has less knowledge than yourself!



Not really relevant - op has asked about alu/clad windows which are widely used in low energy/ passiv situations, you are claiming that they are not widely used because the only bar you seem to have is the dross produced by volume housebuilders, it's ok for the op to put in a well performing durable window/door set, maybe they have different priorities than volume house builders...
"passiv costs and passive products" is absolute nonsense - if you understand what the end goal is, things can be achieved without any huge additional costs - just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it should be dismissed.

With NHBC Timber Windows and Doors have requirements. "Non Timber Doors and windows " have requirements. This category is subject to Technical Requirement R3. One then has to determine if a particular alu-clad windows are subject to this Requirement. Simple as that. Dead easy with all timber - this is clear cut. Same situation with pvcu. Step past these and the desk study/research needs boxes ticking.

System

Furts wrote: »

With NHBC Timber Windows and Doors have requirements. "Non Timber Doors and windows " have requirements. This category is subject to Technical Requirement R3. One then has to determine if a particular alu-clad windows are subject to this Requirement. Simple as that. Dead easy with all timber - this is clear cut. Same situation with pvcu. Step past these and the desk study/research needs boxes ticking.

indeed, it is very simple - you don't know enough about it, so you could have just browsed past this thread, instead you have raised a whole series of issues with no relevance to the ops replacement windows just so that you can look all clever and make them worry :rotfl:

Furts

the_r_sole wrote: »

indeed, it is very simple - you don't know enough about it, so you could have just browsed past this thread, instead you have raised a whole series of issues with no relevance to the ops replacement windows just so that you can look all clever and make them worry :rotfl:

No point having a spat between us - it does not help OP.

Back to OP on this. You posted a question "anyone got experience of the company?". My response was a reminder to do what you probably have already done. Teaching you to suck eggs no doubt, but probably worth commenting on.

Put yourself in the position of a reputable builder here. Or an Architect. Or a Clerk Of Works...Do all the necessary boxes get ticked and approvals get met to meet NHBC Technical Standards?

System

Furts wrote: »

No point having a spat between us - it does not help OP.

Back to OP on this. You posted a question "anyone got experience of the company?". My response was a reminder to do what you probably have already done. Teaching you to suck eggs no doubt, but probably worth commenting on.

Put yourself in the position of a reputable builder here. Or an Architect. Or a Clerk Of Works...Do all the necessary boxes get ticked and approvals get met to meet NHBC Technical Standards?

ok, to help out the op - can you please let them know what relevance NHBC requirements have for replacement windows?

Furts

the_r_sole wrote: »

ok, to help out the op - can you please let them know what relevance NHBC requirements have for replacement windows?

Neither of us know if it is a new house, or a refurb, or simply replacement windows.

But the property does not matter. We are talking standards of quality here. For those in the construction industry like you, claiming to be reputable, this is everyday, common sense, bread and butter procedure.

System

Furts wrote: »

Neither of us know if it is a new house, or a refurb, or simply replacement windows.

But the property does not matter. We are talking standards of quality here. For those in the construction industry like you, claiming to be reputable, this is everyday, common sense, bread and butter procedure.

I don't understand why you are so quick to dismiss passiv standards and push nhbc? both are non statutory schemes for building performance, with passiv being a much higher standard for performance...(whether you can understand it not)
nhbc standards are not building regulations so why bother asking if these windows meet the requirements of a scheme designed to make new build developers more money by being able to offer a worthless guarantee rather than ask if they meet the minimum required standards for windows?

(I'm assuming it's not a new build as it would be pretty rare to be specifying a single french door and window for an entire house)