The good fat bad fat controversy!

GwylimT

OneLeggedPig wrote: »

? The group with the special diet lost 4.4 kg
Adjusted to include only those who stuck to the diet well, it was 6.8 kg

Yes, B12 is made by bacteria and absent in most of our food nowadays, which is very clean. It is still present in animal products. Vegans should definitely take a B12 supplement to make up for this. Some vegetarians and some meat eaters can also be at risk of deficiency but the consensus is that they don't need to supplement unless they've been diagnosed.

4.4kg of muscle mass, they gained fat.

OneLeggedPig

GwylimT wrote: »

4.4kg of muscle mass, they gained fat.

? Are we reading the same study here? Nowhere does it say that. I really don't understand where you are getting this from.

OneLeggedPig

milasavesmoney wrote: »

And how on earth did this thread get hijacked to carbs and diabetes?

That's always the way with these things. But it is relevant as the original post was about a charity claiming that low fat guidelines were a bad idea. So naturally low fat diets for diabetes is going to come up as part of that discussion.

I definitely wouldn’t want to ever give anyone medical advice. I’ve just posted to help point people reading the thread to some research which could be relevant for them.

MandM90

Goldiegirl wrote: »

I think those pie charts could be used to prove that it's either carbohydrates or added fats and oil, depending on which side of the fence you're on.

The reality is, it's probably both that's making Americans bigger

This

I hover around a size 8, always been a healthy BMI, and my diet tends to either be low fat (virtually no animal products, plenty of pulses and grains) or low carb (a few animal products, lots of green things). Whenever I start getting wobbly I tend to adopt one of those two approaches more strictly and the excess just slides off.

A girl at work swears that you need LOADS of proteins to lose weight, but I've always found it as simple as calories in vs. calories out...I can eat anything in moderation, but it tends to have to involve a large amount of plant based food to keep me full, nourished and under my 'budget' for a day.

As for fats, my mother seems to think they ate a lot less meat, cheese and butter as a child, but everything she ate was 'real' and 'full fat'. For her poor, large family things were bulked out with homegrown veggies and they were all on their feet all day, either as labourers or very active housewives without any of the modern appliances. She walked miles to and from school each day which I'm sure helped. So again, I think it's moderation and a lower calories in:calories out ratio...

theoretica

I am surprised that the research into gut bacteria has not yet been mentioned - mice fed the same diet ended up fat or slim depending on the bacteria in their guts. Also studies of the bacteria from people who are overweight or not show differences and the use of antibiotics was correlated to an increase in fat.

For instance:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-gut-bacteria-help-make-us-fat-and-thin/

The study doesn't mention, but I wonder if modern hygene and the use of so much disinfectant could also be affecting the gut biome.

VfM4meplse

NewShadow wrote: »

While general discussion around nutrition is one thing, I think some of these posts are coming a little too close to incorrect medical advice.

Just sayin'

Fixed that for you - and propagating dangerous messages in the process. It's so dangerous to pick and choose studies in the absence of context.

Did anyone see the Fiona Phillps programme on TV this evening? It attempted to debunk a few food myths.

GwylimT

OneLeggedPig wrote: »

? Are we reading the same study here? Nowhere does it say that. I really don't understand where you are getting this from.

No, thats because raw data is never published, it is merely used by the authors, co-authors and the data tech, it is often available to those in trial, names removed of course.

OneLeggedPig

GwylimT wrote: »

No, thats because raw data is never published, it is merely used by the authors, co-authors and the data tech, it is often available to those in trial, names removed of course.

...... so.... are you going to reveal what you're basing your statements on, or not?

OneLeggedPig

People would be mad to base their diet off something someone has said on a forum. Everyone needs to research themselves, with an open mind, and make their mind up (but not close it).

There is a lot of misinformation, pseudoscience, old myths, and "common sense" out there. The quality of scientific studies varies massively. And the majority of studies fail to be replicated, and so can't be considered good evidence.

A good article on "breaking health news"
http://www.jeffnovick.com/RD/Articles/Entries/2012/6/18_Todays_Breaking_Health_News!!.html

Goldiegirl

VfM4meplse wrote: »

Did anyone see the Fiona Phillps programme on TV this evening? It attempted to debunk a few food myths.

Yes, I watched it.


The general conclusion seemed to be 'eat a balanced diet for health'