The good fat bad fat controversy!

wouldbeqaulitymoneysaver2

I love real fats and properly fatty food like ham because they are tasty and help me lose weight.
I would have nothing to do with low fat muck that is full of sugar and now am trying to eat an unprocessed foods as much as possible.

indsty

I was at grammar school in the 1960's. We got a yearly photo taken of the whole school (600 pupils), and I spent an interesting ten minutes taking a look at it today. I managed to find two girls who could possibly be called overweight, and only one teacher out of about 30.

Something has definitely changed.

GreyQueen

indsty wrote: »

I was at grammar school in the 1960's. We got a yearly photo taken of the whole school (600 pupils), and I spent an interesting ten minutes taking a look at it today. I managed to find two girls who could possibly be called overweight, and only one teacher out of about 30.

Something has definitely changed.

Yup, that's the same when I look at my class and year photos from my grammar school in the 1970s. You just didn't see fat kids, and rarely even slightly plump ones, and that was normally a puppyfat stage when growth wasn't quite equalling food intake, and it sorted itself out quickly. Thinking hard, I can only recall one teacher in my whole school career who wasn't slim, and he was a middle-aged man who was a touch portly, nothing more.

What happened? In the early 1980s I recall a mate coming back from a holiday in USA saucer-eyed at how enormously fat the Americans were. A few short years later, the same phenomenon was visible here.

Kids used to be skinny, teens used to be skinny, young adults were skinny. People got a bit cuddly in middle-age, especially ladies after a few kids or men with sedentary jobs and an enjoyment of a few beers and a pie or two, but you were talking the late forties age cohort, not people younger.

I could weep when I see some youngster in their late teens or early twenties, who should be in the prime of health and vigour, struggling along like a hippo, barely able to walk.:(

milasavesmoney

VfM4meplse wrote: »

I bought 4 tubs of the stuff recently but have not yet had the guts to use it....after years of indoctrination about saturated fat. I had hoped it might make returning to a mostly vegan diet easier (I say mostly, but I can't give up milk in tea and coffee ). I trust butter in a way that I still don't quite trust coconut oil, so I think I'm gong to end up giving it away.

Oh no! Do give it a try! It's wonderful in recipes and there are a ton of them on the Internet. I really think you will be pleased.

VfM4meplse

OneLeggedPig wrote: »

I understand why you'd be concerned about that, but you're treating the symptom rather than the disease. Diabetes isn't about blood sugar going up, it's about the sugar staying in the blood because it can't get into the cells properly, because of fat accumulation inside the cells. Insulin is the "key" to get glucose into the cells, so your body produces more of it to try and get the glucose in.

So you can control it by not eating things that raise your blood sugar, or treat it by reducing the fat accumulation in the cells which blocks the glucose getting in.

The study I posted a link to shows some of Dr Barnard's work with a low fat whole foods diet, and the effect it has on diabetes. The diet used in that study, which worked really well for the subjects, was 75% carbohydrate. He has a lot of resources on this and has had a lot of success with treating patients this way, as have other doctors.

We need to get off this topic, what you have offered is a half-formed view. You have no understanding of the physiological impact of insulin. Be in no doubt, it's the excess carbohydrate consumption that has made the world fatter.

OneLeggedPig

VfM4meplse wrote: »

We need to get off this topic, what you have offered is a half-formed view. You have no understanding of the physiological impact of insulin. Be in no doubt, it's the excess carbohydrate consumption that has made the world fatter.

An interesting image showing the changes in the American diet (just by way of an example). It shows why the Americans have got bigger. It isn’t due to eating more rice, because they don’t.

VfM4meplse

Hello, flour and cereal products?!

QED, excess carbohydrate consumptionl

Goldiegirl

I think those pie charts could be used to prove that it's either carbohydrates or added fats and oil, depending on which side of the fence you're on.

The reality is, it's probably both that's making Americans bigger

NewShadow

I think the key thing there might be carb or added fat.

Calories from meat, eggs, nuts, and dairy fat haven't notably increased (surprisingly)

I think it's more complicated than simple calories in though.

I think life style, processing of food (rather than components), and attitudes to food all have a part to play.

melanzana

Some.... I said some.... forget about alcohol.

Many like a few glasses of wine or beer or whatever at home now. It can creep up and add to the calories!

I know that's not everyone, but just mentioned it anyway.

To me, it's all about intake and output.

You can do all the exercise you want in a week, but if you are eating for your country in the meantime, it ain't gonna work!

So just lower your portions. Have everything you want but maybe reduce by a quarter. Then bulk up the plate with your fave veg, then reduce the other stuff a little bit more?

Works for me.

I walk an hour a day every day, hail rain or sunshine, when we see it that is!

I am never going to be a model figure, but who wants that! Just staying static or thereabouts will do me now.

Anyway, a bit of movement helps in lots of ways whether it's weight loss or not. Great feeling after a long walk, and a great sleep that night too!

Oh and I use real butter (Kerrygold of course cos I'm Irish, there is nothing like it). Rapeseed oil, olive oil, full fat yogurts and so on. Just to mention.

I don't have a sweet tooth but like my savouries. But no crisps, chips, or anything like that for a while. Don't miss them either. Too salty when I think about it now.

Anyway. Input and output for weight loss. Other things for diabetes and so on.

Best of luck everyone!