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Quentin

No mileage in the ticket being insecure on your car

Coupon-mad

chrishgt4 wrote: »

Hi,

I believe it is Combined Parking Solutions Ltd but I do not have the note to hand at the moment. I will check this when I get home and confirm.

That'll be 'fun' then (not really). Look in particular for any crappy broken signs and get pics. The registered keeper should not appeal it too soon but it is best if the appeal is in his name, not yours. You will have to discuss it with him though because CPS occasionally try court and if he stays the appellant or if you ignore it then he's the one who would get court papers, should they try within six years.

On the other hand, we don't recommend a driver appealing as 'the driver' unless you have to - and even then, you won't get any appeal accepted unless there's something daft like no signs up. Unlikely.

Either you or your friend is going to have to be the one receiving letters and wondering if CPS will try a small claim. Discuss that with him now, it's only fair.

Firstly I only noticed the note because when I activated the wipers it flung it off into the road. It had been raining that day and it was sodden and the information on it is no longer really legible at all. Does this affect anything?

No, sorry.

Secondly the car is not owned by me and the friend that does own it is moving house this week so I think there is a good possibility that any letters sent will get lost in the transfer.

If he's moving this week, get him to IMMEDIATELY as a priority, update his new address as registered keeper on the V5 of that car (also update his driving licence separately). CPS will not be able to get his address until 29 days have gone by so he needs to have the right address at the DVLA in case they do get his data before you've both decided how to appeal this. Not that any appeal will win.

Also - as a matter of interest what would be the case if I had not have noticed the notice falling off the car?

CPS would have sent a Notice to Keeper to your friend's old address in a month. Then letters threatening court, then maybe court papers which your friend may not have heard about in time and he could have eneded up with a default CCJ for not defending it, worst case.

But CPS don't issue many PCNs, in fact they often use a jobsworth doing self-ticketing on site:

http://www.bmpa.eu/companydata/Combined_Parking_Solutions.html

So your best bet might be to see if the landowner will cancel it if you and they agree it was unfair. Act quickly and they may have a short window (e.g. seven days) in which to cancel one, as the issuing landowner/shop. Any idea which jobsworth might have issued it/taken a photo?

chrishgt4

Coupon-mad wrote: »

That'll be 'fun' then (not really). Look in particular for any crappy broken signs and get pics. The registered keeper should not appeal it too soon but it is best if the appeal is in his name, not yours. You will have to discuss it with him though because CPS occasionally try court and if he stays the appellant or if you ignore it then he's the one who would get court papers, should they try within six years.

On the other hand, we don't recommend a driver appealing as 'the driver' unless you have to - and even then, you won't get any appeal accepted unless there's something daft like no signs up. Unlikely.

Either you or your friend is going to have to be the one receiving letters and wondering if CPS will try a small claim. Discuss that with him now, it's only fair.

No, sorry.

If he's moving this week, get him to IMMEDIATELY as a priority, update his new address as registered keeper on the V5 of that car (also update his driving licence separately). CPS will not be able to get his address until 29 days have gone by so he needs to have the right address at the DVLA in case they do get his data before you've both decided how to appeal this. Not that any appeal will win.

CPS would have sent a Notice to Keeper to your friend's old address in a month. Then letters threatening court, then maybe court papers which your friend may not have heard about in time and he could have eneded up with a default CCJ for not defending it, worst case.

But CPS don't issue many PCNs, in fact they often use a jobsworth doing self-ticketing on site:

http://www.bmpa.eu/companydata/Combined_Parking_Solutions.html

So your best bet might be to see if the landowner will cancel it if you and they agree it was unfair. Act quickly and they may have a short window (e.g. seven days) in which to cancel one, as the issuing landowner/shop. Any idea which jobsworth might have issued it/taken a photo?

Thanks for this!

So he did update it and got the first letter. I fired back a letter addressed from him as per the newbie thread - copy paste - and they have since sent a letter back.

The letter back though is for a different car at a different location for a different offence in response to an appeal i never made.

The letter I sent was:

[FONT=&quot]Dear UKCPS

Re PCN number: 9999999

I am not ignoring your charge for a purported parking infraction. As this is purely a charge, issued under an alleged contract and the driver has not been identified, I require the following information so that I can make an informed decision:

1. Who is the party that contracted with your company? I require their contact details.
2. What is the full legal identity of the landowner?
3. As you are not the landowner please provide a contemporaneous and unredacted copy of your contract with the landholder that demonstrate that you have their authority.
4. Is your charge based on damages for breach of contract? Answer yes or no.
5. If the charge is based on damages for breach of contract please provide your justification of this sum.
6. Is your charge based on a contractually agreed sum for the provision of parking? Answer yes or no.
7. If the charge is based on a contractually agreed sum for the provision of parking please provide a valid VAT invoice for this 'service'.
8. Please provide a copy of the signs that you can evidence were on site and which you contend formed a contract with the driver on that occasion, as well as all photographs taken of this vehicle.

If you believe you have a cause of action, send a Letter before Claim within the next 21 days and I will take advice and will respond.

However, in my opinion, there is a better alternative than legal proceedings, namely that we utilise the services of a completely independent ADR service suited to parking charges. This does not include the IAS appeal service - which lacks any transparency and possibly any independence from the IPC - unlike the alternative offered by the British Parking Association, POPLA, which is transparent and has been shown to be independent.

Do not send debt collector letters and do not add any costs or surcharges. I will not respond to such contact and to involve another firm would be a failure to mitigate your costs which are not my liability because the POFA 2012 can only potentially hold a registered keeper liable if certain provisions have been met and even then, the 'amount of the parking charge' is the only amount pursuable.

Yours faithfully,


Does this in some way nullify anything? Optimistic...?[/FONT]

Coupon-mad

Nothing is nullified by it, except your friend can keep it as evidence that the appeal was never properly considered.

My original reply was when you'd said this was CPS (Combined Parking Solutions) yet it turns out this was UKCPS, a completely different firm; less litigious. Run-of-the-mill nasty bunch from round the back of a pub in Leeds.

So same as all IPC firm threads, ignore now. Search the forum for 'UKCPS' and read all the others, saves us answering the same old questions endlessly!

Come back if they send a Letter before claim or court papers but NOT if your friend gets debt collector letters rambling on, already covered here. Show your friend this link, so he/she is ready for what to ignore (but warn him never to ignore court papers of course):

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5035663

HTH, really, ignore. No, don't try IAS. All explained in post #3 of the NEWBIES FAQs thread.