Discrimination ?

nathanjpj

swingaloo wrote: »

I suspect the massive chip on your shoulder is your biggest disability.

Why the aggressive, patronising manner with the posters who have tried to advise?

If you choose to interpret it as aggressive, so be it.

There are people on hear, like everywhere, who get their knickers in a twist when you don't change their mind with regards to their advice.

missbiggles1

nathanjpj wrote: »

If you choose to interpret it as aggressive, so be it.

There are people on hear, like everywhere, who get their knickers in a twist when you don't change their mind with regards to their advice.

And there are people on here who only want to listen to advice when it coincides with their own opinion.;)

Takeaway_Addict

swingaloo wrote: »

I suspect the massive chip on your shoulder is your biggest disability.

Why the aggressive, patronising manner with the posters who have tried to advise?

This..............

nathanjpj

missbiggles1 wrote: »

And there are people on here who only want to listen to advice when it coincides with their own opinion.;)

I visit forums for devil's advocate arguments. as previously stated, i appreciate the challenges to my (and others') opinions.

BUT ... if you feel your logic stands up to challenge, then sticking to your guns is the correct choice. and it's more sensible to listen to experts at Bipolar UK, ACAS etc than unknown entities on forums, right?

trolls who can't directly effect the way you're thinking always claim you are stubborn, rather than wise.

daytona0

nathanjpj wrote: »

I visit forums for devil's advocate arguments. as previously stated, i appreciate the challenges to my (and others') opinions.


BUT ... if you feel your logic stands up to challenge, then sticking to your guns is the correct choice. and it's more sensible to listen to experts at Bipolar UK, ACAS etc than unknown entities on forums, right?

and

post_32 wrote:

the majority of my sickness was caused by poor management (proved via grievance) and poor NHS resources for mental health. factors beyond my control.

It did make me chuckle when, after checking the NHS website on Bipolar, it clearly lists Bipolar UK as a resource!

You are quite an in-congruent person in fairness! Praising (or at least using them!) Bipolar UK on the one hand, then criticising the NHS who would have referred you to Bipolar UK had you just looked at their website - to the point of it actually jointly causing the majority of your sickness!!! How could the NHS cause your symptoms to worsen when they would have referred you (via their website!) to a resource you now openly admit is useful to you?

Boggles the mind.

I think you're just a problem-maker. Someone who almost relishes the opportunity to make a problem out of very little. But as to whether you can succeed in your endeavor I will remain impartial and say maybe; you have heard both sides. I am just so glad that this isn't my risk to take (and that my contribution is limited to a few posts which take 5-15 minutes to write).

trolls who can't directly effect the way you're thinking always claim you are stubborn, rather than wise.

My definition of "wise" would be to show more respect towards those you call "trolls". As much as people may criticise and give you a hard time, there is some sort of sentiment in the posts. A truly wise person would be appreciative of all feedback and not label people (as trolls).


Personally, I always take a reality check in these situations. Life is so cushy now! How would people have treated you in WW2 had you been born around then instead? You've got it easy if your biggest worry in life is regarding a job which you didn't get. Waste of time and energy

nathanjpj

it's difficult to show respect when people drop bigoted remarks and make pejorative assumptions regarding mental health disabilities

there is tons of stigma in the world, you'd be naive to think it's easy for people with mental disorders

it's not fair being disadvantaged and sometimes your only options are to roll over and have your belly tickled or to fight the system for what's right. there are tons and tons of people with mental disorders and disabilities out there who just aren't as capable as me to stick up for themselves. i really, honestly, do believe that I represent not just myself but a lot of other people who would get helped by me putting my hand up to say, "hey this isn't right". believe me, I'm tired of giving in and rolling over

The NHS don't refer to Bipolar UK they refer to Mental Health Trusts ... the trust I was referred to diagnosed me last September and I didn't receive treatment until this February, and treatment was just a simple case of a prescription that a GP cannot issue. the service is badly underfunded and a shambles. you have to be suicidal to get a referral for assessment. you have to be very very unwell before many of the services take notice of your problems

Sncjw

Why did you even ask for advice from here if your just going to go in strop if you don't like what you read.

daytona0

nathanjpj wrote: »

it's difficult to show respect when people drop bigoted remarks and make pejorative assumptions regarding mental health disabilities

Are you referring to me or others who have posted on this thread?!

Because if you are then you're way out of line.

there is tons of stigma in the world, you'd be naive to think it's easy for people with mental disorders

Welcome to real life! You think only those with health issues get that to some extent?

it's not fair being disadvantaged and sometimes your only options are to roll over and have your belly tickled or to fight the system for what's right.

True, but you have to learn to pick your fights. If you pick this fight then you risk your own mental health (it might make it worse) as well as lost time (which could be better suited to finding another job/improving your absences). What do you gain? Weigh up the pros and cons and make an informed decision, possibly consulting a doctor BEFOREHAND due to you having manic tenancies.

there are tons and tons of people with mental disorders and disabilities out there who just aren't as capable as me to stick up for themselves. i really, honestly, do believe that I represent not just myself but a lot of other people who would get helped by me putting my hand up to say, "hey this isn't right". believe me, I'm tired of giving in and rolling over

Does that also mean that you will also be sticking up for those who aren't disabled but whom have poor timekeeping skills or absence records?

The NHS don't refer to Bipolar UK they refer to Mental Health Trusts ...

Really?!

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Bipolar-disorder/Pages/Prevention.aspx

They do refer to Bipolar UK! 5 times they mention their name!! Press CTRL+F then enter "Bipolar UK".

you are so infuriating! It is like talking to a brick wall!

the service is badly underfunded and a shambles.

That's the NHS for you.

May I suggest paying for your own private healthcare instead? Bet you won't be happy then when the service improves but starts charging you for treatment!

Sncjw

You say you want some money as compensation yet you say the NHS is underfunded. Taking money from them will underfund them even more

FBaby

You are quite an in-congruent person in fairness!

No she isn't at all. The main need for a person first diagnosed with bipolar is appropriate medication that indeed, only a consultant can prescribe. Resources from charity such as Bipolar UK can then help with learning how to live with the condition, but that help is only going to be minimal compare to what medication can do. Bipolar response to medication more effectively as a whole than depression.

Saying that, if you were referred in September and started treatment in February, I would say that this is not bad. The medication you are likely to be on are very different to anti-depressant and require a definitely diagnosis and assessment before being prescribed. This is above the competence of a GP, unlike medicating for depression, which says it all.

Anger and shifting responsibility/blame on other is a common attribute of bipolar sufferer, so your reaction is not surprising. On one hand, you are right that you should be entitled to be given the chance to hold down a job like everyone else, but at the same time, you have to appreciate that working with someone who is off sick a lot, especially if your role is such that it would have to be covered, is extremely difficult and stressful, something that the person taking the time off sick rarely seems to consider.