New build property for full time residents only

Generali

antrobus wrote: »

I don't think "St Ives is in the Duchy". Well, some of it might be. But clearly a great deal of it is owned by somebody else.

The Duchy of Cornwall is not the same as the County of Cornwall. The Duchy of Cornwall is simply the estate of the Duke of Cornwall (i.e. his nibs Charlie boy at the moment) most of it isn't even in Cornwall. In fact I think most of its in Devon.

According to National Geographic it's even better than that!

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0605/feature3/images/mp_download.3.pdf

A bit of the Duchy of Cornwall is in Warrington with some more in Kent and I would estimate that nearly as much of the Duchy of Cornwall is in Herefordshire as in Cornwall.

It's also worth noting that a small part is in Inner Hertfordshire.

I'm pretty sure that the foreshore of St Ives is part of the DofC but I don't think that the town is.

antrobus

Generali wrote: »

According to National Geographic it's even better than that!

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0605/feature3/images/mp_download.3.pdf

Yup. And as you can see from that map, the biggest blob is Dartmoor in Devon.

CLAPTON

antrobus wrote: »

No, there's no doubt about it, you just have to read the actual plan

https://www.cornwall.gov.uk/media/12861065/Appendix-2-St-Ives-Area-Neighbourhood-Development-Plan-Submission-Draft.pdf

thanks for that : it makes it absolutely clear that 'affordable' housing for local people is seen as a major issue.

antrobus

CLAPTON wrote: »

thanks for that : it makes it absolutely clear that 'affordable' housing for local people is seen as a major issue.

Affordable housing is an issue (major or otherwise) for every LHA in the country. Cornwall is no different and has a number of schemes available, including Low Cost Housing for Sale. And "To be eligible for schemes in Cornwall (other than government backed equity loan schemes), you will need to meet the local connection criteria and also be a person in housing need."

https://www.cornwall.gov.uk/housing/affordable-housing/buying-an-affordable-home/

St Ives are not planning to do anything different or new as far as affordable housing is concerned, but they are proposing that non-affordable i.e. Open Market Housing should be subject to a principal residence requirement, something which could well indeed be described as a "local ban on the sale of new builds developments as second homes".

It's clear that many people contributing to this thread have misunderstood what is being proposed by St Ives. They are not placing any new restrictions on 'outsiders' buying property in the area. Affordable housing is already subject to local connection criteria; non-locals will remain free to buy new build open market housing.

CLAPTON

antrobus wrote: »

Affordable housing is an issue (major or otherwise) for every LHA in the country. Cornwall is no different and has a number of schemes available, including Low Cost Housing for Sale. And "To be eligible for schemes in Cornwall (other than government backed equity loan schemes), you will need to meet the local connection criteria and also be a person in housing need."

https://www.cornwall.gov.uk/housing/affordable-housing/buying-an-affordable-home/

St Ives are not planning to do anything different or new as far as affordable housing is concerned, but they are proposing that non-affordable i.e. Open Market Housing should be subject to a principal residence requirement, something which could well indeed be described as a "local ban on the sale of new builds developments as second homes".

It's clear that many people contributing to this thread have misunderstood what is being proposed by St Ives. They are not placing any new restrictions on 'outsiders' buying property in the area. Affordable housing is already subject to local connection criteria; non-locals will remain free to buy new build open market housing.

'affordable' housing is clearly SEEN as a issue locally.
Whether that is misguided is another matter.
'Rich' outsiders are SEEN as pushing price beyond local people's reach.

antrobus

CLAPTON wrote: »

'affordable' housing is clearly SEEN as a issue locally.
Whether that is misguided is another matter.
'Rich' outsiders are SEEN as pushing price beyond local people's reach.

What are you on about?

Graham_Devon

michaels wrote: »

So no new houses are built and the town remains an extremely attractive place for incomers so what hapens when one of the existing houses come up for sale? Almost certainly no 'locals' can afford it and it is bought by an incomer as a holiday home, and ponced up to an extent that a local will never be abel to afford it ever again. Then the locals have to get housed off the islands and travel in daily during the season to man the tea shops and clean the holiday homes. these jobs are nto that attractive and not year round so the locals probably sit in council accomodaton in Cornwall watching Jeremy Kyle whilst EU migrants do the seasonal work then go elsewhere/home during the off season.

The easiest, and probably most beneficial thing all round to do would be to simply to charge a separate council tax band for second homes. Some places have already done this, but only increasing it by 10%, which makes little difference to those buying.

This appears to be a huge issue though as lots of those who would have to push this through, own second homes themselves.

This way though, if you want to buy a second home, fine, but you pay double, triple (whatever really) the normal council tax.

Would put off quite a few would be buyers I suspect and those who do buy in are paying higher local taxes, so the local community win.

Such an obvious solution, hampered by the fact it would effect those who would have to make the decision.

CLAPTON

Graham_Devon wrote: »

The easiest, and probably most beneficial thing all round to do would be to simply to charge a separate council tax band for second homes. Some places have already done this, but only increasing it by 10%, which makes little difference to those buying.

This appears to be a huge issue though as lots of those who would have to push this through own second homes themselves.

This way though, if you want to buy a second home, fine, but you pay double, triple (whatever really) the normal council tax.

Would put off quite a few would be buyers I suspect and those who do buy in are paying higher local taxes, so the local community win.

Such an obvious solution, hampered by the fact it would effect those who would have to make the decision.

looking at devon/cornwall houses prices are not high.
the problem is low wages
how will pricing second home owners out, increase wages and employment?

Graham_Devon

CLAPTON wrote: »

looking at devon/cornwall houses prices are not high.
the problem is low wages
how will pricing second home owners out, increase wages and employment?

You may aswell have asked how it will help Elephants in Africa.

The aim isn't to increase wages and employment. It's to reduce second home ownership (or at least increase council tax revenue to be used in the local communities - which could go some way to sorting out some of the local issues due to high second home ownership).

CLAPTON

Graham_Devon wrote: »

You may aswell have asked how it will help Elephants in Africa.

The aim isn't to increase wages and employment. It's to reduce second home ownership (or at least increase council tax revenue to be used in the local communities - which could go some way to sorting out some of the local issues due to high second home ownership).

why do you want to reduce second home ownership and reduce people spending money in Devon and employing local people?