Wallboards in bathroom refit - trim?

googler

Some panels require trim pieces in corners in combination with silicone sealant - Showerwall, for example

http://www.showerwall.co.uk/product/joining-trim/

Do you know what brand of wall panel is being used here?

Installation instruction for Showerwall - PDF within page. If they've installed this product, but haven't followed these instructions, Showerwall don't guarantee, etc etc

http://www.showerwall.co.uk/how-to-install-showerwall/

andyhop

googler wrote: »

Some panels require trim pieces in corners in combination with silicone sealant - Showerwall, for example

http://www.showerwall.co.uk/product/joining-trim/

Do you know what brand of wall panel is being used here?

Installation instruction for Showerwall - PDF within page. If they've installed this product, but haven't followed these instructions, Showerwall don't guarantee, etc etc

http://www.showerwall.co.uk/how-to-install-showerwall/

Panels are horrid, we've just removed a enclosure last week that was riddled with mould and rot

Corner trims are not needed, they are used for the simple reason these are a non skilled option for cladding bathroom walls. They are designed to cover and mask poor substrates and for those that want a cheap and quick fix, add that to those that can't measure or scribe and cut

getmore4less

I assume you mean 2m sq not 2ft.

My quotes are coming in around 8k fully tiled including moving stud wall.
One of those is with £800 shower unit.
Panels for the shower would be cheaper.

South not London.


When looking at panels I did see some that have proper corners so no trim and joints become hidden, not sure I still have the brand info.

googler

andyhop wrote: »

Panels are horrid, we've just removed a enclosure last week that was riddled with mould and rot

It's not the panel's fault if the owners don't clean it regularly. If it's installed properly, and the owners look after it, it won't go mouldy.

andyhop wrote: »

they are used for the simple reason these are a non skilled option for cladding bathroom walls. They are designed to cover and mask poor substrates and for those that want a cheap and quick fix, add that to those that can't measure or scribe and cut

They're used because owners like me prefer them to tiling, which is an absolute b*gger to clean, grout lines and all.... and OH prefers the clean lines of the shower panel.

LCK73

We chose panels, which we like the asthetic, simply because they are easy clean. Cost wasn't a factor really but a good quality fit is important. Mum is in her 70s so she won't be cleaning in between grout.
We are in northwest so prices are not to be compared to London.

Yes, I did mean approx 2m square.

Technically, I don't know what type of fit it was, all I do know is I didn't tell them what my budget was and wanted them to be solution led in their pricing I.e. taking off old tiles, taking up old floor, telling them to do what was necessary to walls and floor etc to make it good to use. All along I said do not cut corners as the finish needs to be pristine. I even told them no when they said they could board over the tiles as I thought that wasn't a good solution....So, if they quoted £4.3k plus vat or 7k plus vat...I'd expect a pristine finish....

We weren't looking for a cheap fix, we were looking for a good solution.

The panels where approx £100 each for about 1m X 2.4m....I remember seeing the tongue and grove edge at the sides.

LCK73

googler wrote: »

Some panels require trim pieces in corners in combination with silicone sealant - Showerwall, for example

http://www.showerwall.co.uk/product/joining-trim/

Do you know what brand of wall panel is being used here?

Installation instruction for Showerwall - PDF within page. If they've installed this product, but haven't followed these instructions, Showerwall don't guarantee, etc etc

http://www.showerwall.co.uk/how-to-install-showerwall/

Deco panel....approx £100 per board 1m X 2.4m

andyhop

I've yet to see silicone that 100% sticks to the surface, Dow Corning or Mapei Mapesil are about the best on the Market and even these stuggle to adhere fully.

A good quality porcelain tile would outlast any timber cored laminate board, a rectified tile with a 2mm grout line would look far more impressive and with minimal clean every 2 months would stay fresh and clean if adequate ventilation is provided .

Furts

LCK73 wrote: »

We chose panels, which we like the asthetic, simply because they are easy clean. Cost wasn't a factor really but a good quality fit is important.

Technically, I don't know what type of fit it was, all I do know is I didn't tell them what my budget was and wanted them to be solution led in their pricing I.e. taking off old tiles, taking up old floor, telling them to do what was necessary to walls and floor etc to make it good to use. All along I said do not cut corners as the finish needs to be pristine. I even told them no when they said they could board over the tiles as I thought that wasn't a good solution....So, if they quoted £4.3k plus vat or 7k plus vat...I'd expect a pristine finish....

We weren't looking for a cheap fix, we were looking for a good solution.

Here you have to be very careful about what you agreed to, and when. If you do not have this exactly clear, you could end up being caught out if the case ends up in Court.

The onus was on you to specify the finish, standard and detailing before any quote was was received, or at least order placed.

If you intervened with any quality comments during the job this could be construed as altering the agreed terms. Indeed, the boarding over the tiles may be an example - was this discussed before the order was placed, or during the works?

It is foolish to say to any tradesperson "I want the job done properly", or words to that effect. This is because the majority do not know what properly means, but also because one persons definition of properly is different to anothers.

If you said to a Judge "I told them not to cut corners" you will be challenged, for this is an almost meaningless statement. The Judge will respond by asking you to define your stance...

Also think carefully on the price. I regard it as making a silk purse out of a cow's ear. I say this because to build the bathroom originally would have cost very little, but an average overall build cost would be £4000. To then spend £5000+ to give it some "bling" (your expression!) is questionnable. However others on this Forum regard a spend of £10000 as satisfactory, so this would imply you got a job on the cheap.

Stand back and weigh up where you stand, what actions you have taken, and have there been any flaws, or weaknesses.

LCK73

I think you've misunderstood me furts. If it helps I didn't ask the fitter to bling up the bathroom, it was an expression I used on this forum only.

The fitter has been back and straightened up the board and replaced the board with hole in. But now they have straightened the board, the shower is out of line and the plastic strip that joins the shower door to the shower panel is out of line.... Also, the silver wall brackets that fit the enclosure to the wall are wonky....the workers have said they can't do anything about either of these points....

So,my question now is, what trade would I need to call in to do an independent inspection and report on the finish?

I think this is necessary as I feel the trades person is giving me completely rubbish, baseless responses and a bit of the run around. Despite doing damage to the ceiling during the remedial works and the toilet also now loose, he has given me an invoice.....

Of course the wonky brackets could be rectified, he might just not want the expense of doing it. But paying 4.3k plus vat warrants a good finish.

I've asked and 4.3k plus vat for a job in the north of England, on the size and spec of bathroom is high but not disproportionate scale.

So, anyone know which trade would be needed to call in? Surveyor??

Thanks.

Ps-the boarding over the tiles was an idea put forward by the tradesman at the start, before he quoted for the job. I categorically told him no, that I thought that was a poor solution and was cutting corners.I told him very clearly that I wanted everything removing and rebuilding back up....so the quote he gave me reflected that level of work.

Furts

LCK73 wrote: »

I think you've misunderstood me furts. If it helps I didn't ask the fitter to bling up the bathroom, it was an expression I used on this forum only.

The fitter has been back and straightened up the board and replaced the board with hole in. But now they have straightened the board, the shower is out of line and the plastic strip that joins the shower door to the shower panel is out of line.... Also, the silver wall brackets that fit the enclosure to the wall are wonky....the workers have said they can't do anything about either of these points....

So,my question now is, what trade would I need to call in to do an independent inspection and report on the finish?

I think this is necessary as I feel the trades person is giving me completely rubbish, baseless responses and a bit of the run around. Despite doing damage to the ceiling during the remedial works and the toilet also now loose, he has given me an invoice.....

Of course the wonky brackets could be rectified, he might just not want the expense of doing it. But paying 4.3k plus vat warrants a good finish.

I've asked and 4.3k plus vat for a job in the north of England, on the size and spec of bathroom is high but not disproportionate scale.

So, anyone know which trade would be needed to call in? Surveyor??

Thanks.

Ps-the boarding over the tiles was an idea put forward by the tradesman at the start, before he quoted for the job. I categorically told him no, that I thought that was a poor solution and was cutting corners.I told him very clearly that I wanted everything removing and rebuilding back up....so the quote he gave me reflected that level of work.

The unofficial way forward is to phone ICWCI at Peterborough (Google them) and get names and numbers in your area. However, they do not data base members in this way, so another way is to discretely ask Joe, or Vaughan, or Rachel and say you have a post on this Forum. Mention needing a Clerk Of Works, say there is positive publicity here (hint, hint...) and perhaps they could be kind enough to give you the Chapter Chairman contact details in your are. Then discuss if there is a suitable person with them.

It is all a delicate area because the ICWCI Handbook of Members contains adverts for practices. Naturally a recommendation should be expected along these lines, but your requirement is so minor it does not warrant a big name presence.