Gas and Electriity safety cert

EdinburghSusan

TheCyclingProgrammer wrote: »

I'm fairly certain an competent electrician could do the work without needing to be part of a Part P certification scheme unless they were installing a new circuit, as kitchen work is generally not notifiable. OP is in Scotland anyway so don't think it even applies.

yup - we are in Scotland and part p doesn't apply

EdinburghSusan

Risteard wrote: »

I don't agree that work "especially in a kitchen" is dangerous. A kitchen is not a special location in the Wiring Regulations.

As for the Electrical Installation Certificate or Minor Electrical Installation Works Certificate, the issuance of this is a mandatory requirement of the Wiring Regulations and as such it is not in any way optional. So just because you don't feel you need it does not give you a right to not receive it. Inspection, testing and certification is an absolute requirement of BS7671 (the IET Wiring Regulations).

Even if the work is not subject to a Building Warrant etc. certification is still mandatory to comply with BS7671:2008 (2015).

Thanks - could you explain further? This is the guidance on the Scot Government website and it seems that it is optional. It says:

Certification of work is optional but there are
benefits including reduced fees and faster
acceptance of completion certificates by local
authorities.

MSE won't let me post the link as I'm a new user, but it is titled: Certification
Electrical Installations
to BS7671 and published by Scot Gov.

What convinces me to be honest that I don't need it, is that my conveyancing solicitors doesn't think it is required for me to sell the house - and if I don't need it then, can't see that it would be necessary.

It's really complicated - I don't know how ordinary consumers are meant to understand it!

EssexExile

EdinburghSusan wrote: »

It's really complicated - I don't know how ordinary consumers are meant to understand it!

Ordinary consumers get on quite well ignoring all these official requirements. I never knew the world was so complicated until I came on this forum.

newbie1980

EdinburghSusan wrote: »

Thanks - could you explain further? This is the guidance on the Scot Government website and it seems that it is optional. It says:

Certification of work is optional but there are
benefits including reduced fees and faster
acceptance of completion certificates by local
authorities.

MSE won't let me post the link as I'm a new user, but it is titled: Certification
Electrical Installations
to BS7671 and published by Scot Gov.

What convinces me to be honest that I don't need it, is that my conveyancing solicitors doesn't think it is required for me to sell the house - and if I don't need it then, can't see that it would be necessary.

It's really complicated - I don't know how ordinary consumers are meant to understand it!

its not that you dont need it its that the tradesman has to issue them by law. Thats where your going wrong

EdinburghSusan

newbie1980 wrote: »

its not that you dont need it its that the tradesman has to issue them by law. Thats where your going wrong

Maybe I'm being dense, but if that is the case, why does the offical guidance on the Scottish Government website for that BS reg say that certification is OPTIONAL. Sorry to shout - but the guidance says I don't need it - has anyone a link to any guidance on a goverment site that says it is mandatory in Scotland?

EdinburghSusan

EssexExile wrote: »

Ordinary consumers get on quite well ignoring all these official requirements. I never knew the world was so complicated until I came on this forum.

I'm not ignoring anything - I've been presented for a bill for £100 which is quite a signficant amount of money. I'm simply querying why I need it.

The only information I have is that the Builders says it is mandatory - and a few people here have said it is essential etc., but it doesn't seem unreasonble (when being asked to spend £100) to expect someone to come up with a link to some official guidance somewhere to justify this expense. The only think I've managed to come up with on my own is a leaflet which says it's optional. If it's optional I don't want it.

Forgive my skepticism, but being paid £100 to fill out a couple of forms is money for old rope!

Risteard

The IET Wiring Regulations are non-Statutory (i.e. they are not law).

However to comply with the Wiring Regulations (British Standard 7671 - which is generally necessary to comply with the law) all electrical installation work MUST be inspected, tested and certified.

Non-certification is automatically non-compliance with BS7671.

Mr.Generous

If they have to do it then it should be included in the quote, a bit like getting your car MOT'd then being handed a separate bill for the certificate.

Risteard

Mr.Generous wrote: »

If they have to do it then it should be included in the quote, a bit like getting your car MOT'd then being handed a separate bill for the certificate.

We have no evidence that it wasn't included in the quote.

EdinburghSusan

Risteard wrote: »

The IET Wiring Regulations are non-Statutory (i.e. they are not law).

However to comply with the Wiring Regulations (British Standard 7671 - which is generally necessary to comply with the law) all electrical installation work MUST be inspected, tested and certified.

Non-certification is automatically non-compliance with BS7671.

The Scottish leaflet on the BS7671 says that certification is optional though - maybe it is different in England?

Can you give me a link to some official guidance that confirms your position?
Cheers