Permitted Development.. allows you to be overlooked?

Gloomendoom

Following the complete loss of privacy to my garden and back rooms, I considered making myself a cricket screen get around the fence and hedge restrictions.

parking_question_chap

Well, given that it isnt a permanent structure it would not be considered development. As long as OP could demonstrate that its moved every now and then its a decent option.

cyclonebri1

I've recently been involved in a situation where permitted dev rights where removed as a condition by planning. This involved change of use and a chicken shed that was previously on agricultural land now fell into the garden area so needs specific permission.

It was sat on 2 railway sleepers.

Old wheels were attached to the ends of the sleepers and the shed is now acceptable because it's no longer a fixed structure, it's mobile.

Not had to move it yet but we attached the quad bike and it moves if a little hard going, 3 blokes can push it.

stator

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

I've recently been involved in a situation where permitted dev rights where removed as a condition by planning. This involved change of use and a chicken shed that was previously on agricultural land now fell into the garden area so needs specific permission.

It was sat on 2 railway sleepers.

Old wheels were attached to the ends of the sleepers and the shed is now acceptable because it's no longer a fixed structure, it's mobile.

Not had to move it yet but we attached the quad bike and it moves if a little hard going, 3 blokes can push it.

Mobile structures aren't exempt

Ant555

As you have already contacted the council and they have said its within PD then I guess that's that - they still have to adhere to any building regs though.

IF its over 4m then the neighbour consultation scheme definitely does apply.
I have just downloaded the form and it actually asks the person making the application to identify neighbouring properties that should be notified - does anyone know what the consequences are of incorrect or incomplete information here as its obviously a decent loophole to tactfully 'forget' to include your nearest neighbour or get their address wrong on the form!
https://ecab.planningportal.co.uk/uploads/1app/forms/notification_of_a_proposed_larger_home_extension.pdf


If you are looking for a technicality then I am sure you have seen the rules for PD
https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200130/common_projects/17/extensions


Not that this will seem any comfort to you but a friend in his previous house had neighbours that built an extension that kind of overlooked his garden so he made a point of always looking into the upstairs window when he went outside just to see if anyone was there. Several times the neighbours saw him looking in but as he said to me, 'what can I do, when I come out of my back door its there infront of me, they built it there so have to put up with me looking at it, i'm not looking at them specifically - I simply can't avoid it'

cyclonebri1

stator wrote: »

Mobile structures aren't exempt

Go and do your homework then post back, if an object is on wheels it is deemed "mobile" and is no longer a structure

parking_question_chap

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

Go and do your homework then post back, if an object is on wheels it is deemed "mobile" and is no longer a structure

Yes, this is correct

Though definition of what is considered mobile, cant say I know that off the top of my head.

parking_question_chap

Ant555 wrote: »

does anyone know what the consequences are of incorrect or incomplete information here

Responsibility to notify neighbours with a shared boundary lies with the LPA.

Gloomendoom

parking_question_chap wrote: »

Responsibility to notify neighbours with a shared boundary lies with the LPA.

My parent's LPA failed notify them. They only found out when work started on a new house. They complained but nothing was done.

Ant555

parking_question_chap wrote: »

Responsibility to notify neighbours with a shared boundary lies with the LPA.

Ok, I was just going on what the form said
5. Addresses of any adjoining properties
You are required to identify and provide the addresses of all the adjoining premises to your property:
Please provide details of any additional adjoining premises on a separate sheet if necessary.

I wouldn't be surprised if thats just to save the LPA some time!

However, it probably doesn't really help the OP anyway as it seems that if the notification is 'lost in the post' or does not arrive then its tough luck.
I was just looking for any way to help the OP with his/her retrospective contact with the authority.