If the planning process was overhauled and more houses built would everything be OK?

CLAPTON

Cakeguts wrote: »

Has anyone looked at how much bricklayers earn? There is a shortage of bricklayers in the UK. The reason why there is a shortage is because schools and parents encourage young people to go to university rather than get a trade. Developers need bricklayers. So even if the planning process was improved there is no guarantee that more houses would be built if young people do not want to learn a trade.

Probably the reason for a shortage of building people, is the result of the collapse in building after 2007;
large numbers left the industry and few joined until the construction started picking up.
So it will take some time to recruit and train new people.

boliston

Cakeguts wrote: »

Has anyone looked at how much bricklayers earn? There is a shortage of bricklayers in the UK. The reason why there is a shortage is because schools and parents encourage young people to go to university rather than get a trade. Developers need bricklayers. So even if the planning process was improved there is no guarantee that more houses would be built if young people do not want to learn a trade.

Bricks seem quite a labour intensive way of building walls - would it not be better to prefabricate the wall panels on new builds?

cells

dktreesea wrote: »

Unreasonable numbers and assumptions in what sense? The earnings information is from the ONS.

This is a thread I did a few months back

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5371599

The Land registry has started splitting its house prices by type.
So you can now look up the average price of a flat or a terrace or a semi or a detached and its interesting to note that according to the land registry the average terrace costs

NE = £67k
NW = £70k
Yorkshire and Humber = £78k

Three regions home to 15 million people and it is cheap enough for a single full time minimum wage to afford to buy the average terrace house.

E-Midlands = £90k
W-Midlands = £92k

Two regions home to 10 million people and it is cheap enough for one full time and one part time min wage to afford the average terrace

South West = £152k
East = £168k

Two regions home to 11 million people and a couple on just a little above min wage (or working 50h weeks on min wage) can buy the average terrace in those two regions


7 regions of England home to almost 70% of the population where the average terrace can be bought by a couple on minimum wage or less.

Cakeguts

boliston wrote: »

Bricks seem quite a labour intensive way of building walls - would it not be better to prefabricate the wall panels on new builds?

Probably but buyers prefer their houses to have bricks on the outside even if the rest of the house is not brick built.

boliston

Cakeguts wrote: »

Probably but buyers prefer their houses to have bricks on the outside even if the rest of the house is not brick built.

This is how I would like my house to be faced :cool:
http://www.dezeen.com/2011/03/07/house-in-kohgo-by-yutaka-yoshida-architect-associates/

michaels

boliston wrote: »

This is how I would like my house to be faced :cool:
http://www.dezeen.com/2011/03/07/house-in-kohgo-by-yutaka-yoshida-architect-associates/

I hope you are joking :eek:

CLAPTON

GwylimT wrote: »

A big part of the issue is also the type of housing we are building. Around here virtually all the new build estates are four bedroom houses, with a few token two beds thrown in to meet so called affordable housing.

Where are the apartments? I really don't think we can carry on with our current method of house building.

Apartments are cheaper to build, require less land and cheaper to buy.

We live in a four bed ground floor apartment, it is the largest home we have lived in by far. We have a large private garden, but for those who are not ground floor we have a large communal garden with an allotment, play park, running track. Each apartment has at least two parking spaces and we have an onsite gym.

I couldn't afford a four bed house with the same square footage, three parking spaces or the garden size we have, nevermind pay to use a private gym on top!

Our block ranges from 2-4 bed properties, all bedrooms are a good size, in reality the single rooms are big enough for a double and bedroom furniture. Build quality is good, and its the quietest home I've lived in, and I've lived in a detached property!

We are a series of four storey blocks, positioned in a way that the buildings don't really over look each other. Over the road a new housing estate has been built on a slightly larger plot of land, it has 64 homes. We have around 150, each block is positioned so homes aren't over looked, parking is underground to save space, each block has its own entrance road to prevent congestion at busy time as well. There are five blocks with around thirty homes in each.

is there a housing shortage in leeds?

boliston

michaels wrote: »

I hope you are joking :eek:

Concrete has the advantage that it weathers nicely with age - can't see any disadvantages with it.

Cakeguts

boliston wrote: »

Concrete has the advantage that it weathers nicely with age - can't see any disadvantages with it.

Non standard construction for mortgages purposes?

kabayiri

Mrs_pbradley936 wrote: »

Quite apart from the homes themselves we ought to give thought to the impact of many more people on local services. For example 500 new homes were built not too far from us - so say another 1200 people. Some of them will be children so what about schools? All of them will need a GP, are there plans in place for that? How many extra fire engines did we get? What about ambulances? I can see the money going to the Council via extra Council Tax for these 500 homes but to date nothing along the lines I have mentioned.

Oldham council have 1,000+ asylum seekers to find homes for, along with providing other support, yet they have lost £197m from their budget.

It's like a double whammy.

If we really want to grow the population base we will need to invest seriously in the infrastructure, and be prepared to pay for it via taxation.

The recent schools building project was financed with £50bn PFI, which is an expensive way of doing things.