London Congestion Zone - LPG converted cars

JohnBravo

Hi again,
Thank you for the explanation.
I didn't know that this topic will initiate such a discussion also about metric systems.

LPG technology is disgraced in this country.
Only 1/10 petrol stations have LPG to 1 per every 2 on the continent.
I still have faith in LPG though, the cleanest of all conventional fuels! :T
:j

Johno100

One downside of LPG I hadn't considered until recently. There was an LPG powered car involved in an accident local to me a few weeks ago, no one was hurt, but the emergency services treated it like a Hazmat incident with road closures and special fire unit brought in. I can only imagine the chaos caused on a dailiy basis if LPG became more widey used.

forgotmyname

Wait until you see what happens with a small fire and a compressed gas labels on the car and then you tell them there are 6 x 12 litre carbon fibre tanks in the boot all charged up at approx 300bar.

Regarding Metric, my Dad hates it when i measure something half in metric and half imperial

I use whichever is more convenient.

AdrianC

JohnBravo wrote: »

to 1 per every 2 on the continent.

Depends on which bit of the continent...

londonTiger

its bait and switch to fool penny wise, pound foolish people into buying cleaner cars. they give road tax breaks and conjestion charge breaks for cars when they first come out and people decided to ditch their old cars and buy these brand new cars from the forecourts so they can save a few quid per annum. then they discounts get taken away a few years later.

londonTiger

JohnBravo wrote: »

Hi again,
Thank you for the explanation.
I didn't know that this topic will initiate such a discussion also about metric systems.

LPG technology is disgraced in this country.
Only 1/10 petrol stations have LPG to 1 per every 2 on the continent.
I still have faith in LPG though, the cleanest of all conventional fuels! :T
:j

lpg is just arbitrage. it's a by product of oil refinery and it's only untaxed because there is no other use for it and had it not been allowed to be used in cars tax free then it will have to be leaked into the air.

if it were to be widely adopted then the treasurey would tax it and savings will be diminished.

electric vehicles are the future, and battery technology will improve to the point that you can get a full charge in 10 mins or less.

tesla has worked on a system to replace your entire battery array in less time it takes to dull a full gas filllup
https://www.teslamotors.com/en_GB/videos/battery-swap-event

Nodding_Donkey

londonTiger wrote: »

lpg is just arbitrage. it's a by product of oil refinery and it's only untaxed because there is no other use for it and had it not been allowed to be used in cars tax free then it will have to be leaked into the air.

The Calor tank that sits in our garden must be a figment of my imagination then.

Fuel for cars is way down the list of uses for LPG.

londonTiger

Nodding_Donkey wrote: »

The Calor tank that sits in our garden must be a figment of my imagination then.

Fuel for cars is way down the list of uses for LPG.

the isn;t enough demand on domestic/heating lpg to match the high supply of lpg. that's why the decision to give tax breaks on lpg fuel started to encourage the use of lpg (butane and propane) as there wasn't a use for them.

if more and more people used lpg then the tax breaks will be removed, just like the take away cogeestion free travel for prius and ultra low road tax for some cars.

bigjl

londonTiger wrote: »

lpg is just arbitrage. it's a by product of oil refinery and it's only untaxed because there is no other use for it and had it not been allowed to be used in cars tax free then it will have to be leaked into the air.

if it were to be widely adopted then the treasurey would tax it and savings will be diminished.

electric vehicles are the future, and battery technology will improve to the point that you can get a full charge in 10 mins or less.

tesla has worked on a system to replace your entire battery array in less time it takes to dull a full gas filllup
https://www.teslamotors.com/en_GB/videos/battery-swap-event

I would point out that less than half of LPG is a byproduct when crude is refined, most comes straight out the ground.

And Renault had the idea to have replaceable battery all over France years ago, specifically with the Renault Fluence, you drove the car in and the battery was removed automatically from below and you drive off in seconds with a fresh battery. And that Tesla video is from 2013 and no sign of the battery's change infastructure!

Did they come up against and issue with Renault? Did Renault have WorldWide Patents on the concept of battery swapping in regards to Electric cars?

It was one of the reasons Renault had the idea to Lease the batteries, as then nobody would care what the lifespan was on their battery as it wasn't theirs and would be swapped on the next long journey.

bigjl

londonTiger wrote: »

its bait and switch to fool penny wise, pound foolish people into buying cleaner cars. they give road tax breaks and conjestion charge breaks for cars when they first come out and people decided to ditch their old cars and buy these brand new cars from the forecourts so they can save a few quid per annum. then they discounts get taken away a few years later.

What are you talking about now?

Some people have company cars, by going to diesels they saved money, they will save even more going for a plug in Hybrid or full EV.

Have a look where the people live that jump on one band wagon after another to save money.

They are invariably rich areas.

Consider the point if you were on £50k a year with a company car, would you say that you don't want a Company Car but instead want to drive an ancient Golf?

Or would you look at which ever car gave you the lowest tax liability?

If the Government changed the goalposts to make certain car an awful lot more attractive to you financially would you say nonInwill stick with the car that will cost me personally more money in tax every month?

To be honest there seems to be a bit of the green eyed monster in your post.