CCTV for front door

RumRat

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Johnmcl7

It's a question of risks, it's highly unlikely an elderly person is going to have anything at all worth someone hacking into their wireless network for while there's a very real risk of a dodgy caller.

John

snae

Johnmcl7 wrote: »

It's a question of risks, it's highly unlikely an elderly person is going to have anything at all worth someone hacking into their wireless network for while there's a very real risk of a dodgy caller.

John

True, but if they are IP cameras, and the network is compromised, the individuals will have complete remote knowledge of whether or no the person is there or not, and if with company. Elderly people are more known to have money under the mattress and jewellery of both high sentimental and monetary value, which as them often being vulnerable and defenceless, inviting the criminal underworld in, will hardly do them any good.

On the topic of Wi-Fi security, if they are a user of the internet, their devices can potentially be compromised and traffic sniffed.

Johnmcl7

Or they could just sit outside and watch the house (and several others at the same time), vastly easier and more realistic than breaking into the network to get that information or just break in anyway regardless of whether the person is in or not as sadly happens with elderly people. Yes, their devices could be targetted but it's next to pointless to do so, there are far, far better gains in targetting large numbers of users through phishing attacks, malware etc, than wasting time targetting a single elderly person. If they want what's in the house then they're just going to break in and take it rather than wasting time pointlessly trying to get onto their laptop and monitoring traffic, in the much more likely scenario there's a burglary then at least there's some chance the wireless camera in the doorbell would capture it rather than the incredibly minuscule chance of it causing it.

John

snae

Yes, but why waste time sitting outside, when you can do it from elsewhere. I think you're missing my point. Older people are less computer literate and are much more prone to MITM attacks.

There have been numerous reports of burglars are using the vulnerabilities in CCTV cameras to make their entries much more to their advantage. What's the point of having an alarm system when it can be hacked easily and disabled from public Wi-Fi? Many businesses have similar set ups. I've personally found cashier desks and receipt printers, out dated PC's, IP phones and DVR's on pub/ hotel public Wi-Fi. The average user may not have those on their networks but anyone with a death wish against that pub/ hotel could very easily destroy the company and potentially the lives of customers.

Telling a person to put Wireless cameras outside their front door showing off the the world, is telling a wannabe thief exactly what they're up against. You can buy CCTV scanners in Maplin of all places, which allow you to view the feeds of unencrypted Wireless CCTV cameras. If they find which network it's attached to, they can remotely switch off that camera without the owner knowing and disable any alarm features which are associated with it.

They could also take a more simplistic method and just jam the frequencies it uses, sometimes this can even be completely legal, as some, including myself, can do so on LPD433 or 2.4Ghz, the latter a very common band for wireless cameras. The former band is where you'd find car key fobs and door bells. Don't trust anything wireless.

Only bad criminals get caught. Those who didn't cover their tracks.

Johnmcl7

Almost none of what you've written is even vaguely relevant to the topic which is helping an elderly relative who is unlikely to have anything more than a laptop or tablet on the network.

As I said earlier, it's a question of risk - yes, what you've said is possible and a very tech savvy criminal could carry out a complex targeted attack on the individual but if they're that determined anyway a single wireless doorbell is not going to be the trigger and wireless doorbell or not they're not going to be able to defend against that. The reality that's almost entirely unlikely and the real risk which the wireless monitor could help with is dodgy people at the house in which case not going with that protection leaves the elderly person far more at risk.

This is just pointlessly dragging the subject away from the topic as it's not relevant so I won't reply to any further of your posts to prevent it being derailed further.

John

RumRat

snae wrote: »

Yes, but why waste time sitting outside, when you can do it from elsewhere. I think you're missing my point. Older people are less computer literate and are much more prone to MITM attacks.

There have been numerous reports of burglars are using the vulnerabilities in CCTV cameras to make their entries much more to their advantage. What's the point of having an alarm system when it can be hacked easily and disabled from public Wi-Fi? Many businesses have similar set ups. I've personally found cashier desks and receipt printers, out dated PC's, IP phones and DVR's on pub/ hotel public Wi-Fi. The average user may not have those on their networks but anyone with a death wish against that pub/ hotel could very easily destroy the company and potentially the lives of customers.

Telling a person to put Wireless cameras outside their front door showing off the the world, is telling a wannabe thief exactly what they're up against. You can buy CCTV scanners in Maplin of all places, which allow you to view the feeds of unencrypted Wireless CCTV cameras. If they find which network it's attached to, they can remotely switch off that camera without the owner knowing and disable any alarm features which are associated with it.

They could also take a more simplistic method and just jam the frequencies it uses, sometimes this can even be completely legal, as some, including myself, can do so on LPD433 or 2.4Ghz, the latter a very common band for wireless cameras. The former band is where you'd find car key fobs and door bells. Don't trust anything wireless.

Only bad criminals get caught. Those who didn't cover their tracks.

You need to get out into the world a little.
Too much time spent locked in your room reading the internet will warp the senses of any reality.

I_have_spoken

Nest cam may be an option - https://store.nest.com/uk/product/security/camera/

That assumes the relative has wi-fi in the home, of course!

Motion alerts to your mobi, and two-walk talk over internet so you can speak to a dodgy caller, plus a subscription service for 10 day continuous recording in the cloud.

snae

RumRat wrote: »

You need to get out into the world a little.
Too much time spent locked in your room reading the internet will warp the senses of any reality.

Maybe, but it's always better to be a paranoid pirate, than a know-nothing ninja! Yarrrrr!

RumRat

snae wrote: »

Maybe, but it's always better to be a paranoid pirate, than a know-nothing ninja! Yarrrrr!

No such thing!........Thanks to the Rum.....