Possible sacking facing gross misconduct

BrassicWoman

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?461726-Wife-facing-disciplinary-for-quot-dishonesty-quot

FBaby

So read the other thread, as I suspected, the timesheet were corrected by a witness who noticed that OP's wife was claiming to be there earlier than the actual time she got in.

So somehow didn't think the need to discuss whether it was ok for her to still take the paid time off when not at her course and being a bit confused about the time she actually gets into school...

But don't understand why the Head has some concerns about her being dishonest... As for the statement that he should have noticed earlier... I would expect a Head of school as more important matters to be concerned with then checking that someone lucky enough to be paid to go and do their BA could actually push their luck and take the time to do other things.

Tiddlywinks

I find it hard to believe that an agreement for paid time off to undertake external education was not formalised in writing (or in minutes) to record the 'indulgence'.

Normally this type of arrangement (the use of public funds) needs a written request and an agreement recorded for audit purposes.

As to times of attendance discrepancies - your wife should check in each morning with her line manager as soon as she has booked in. This will reinforce the fact that she is present and on time.

She should also make the effort to get in 10 minutes before core time - not leaving it to the last minute. Plus, she needs to clarify which clock is being used to check her declarations - that might be where the differences occur.

Your wife should also formally lodge her suspicion of times being altered by a colleague and ask this to be investigated.

I just don't understand why this is so 'he said, she said'... these sorts of queries / concerns should always be recorded as then it is harder for someone to dispute the facts.

Gavin78

BrassicWoman wrote: »

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?461726-Wife-facing-disciplinary-for-quot-dishonesty-quot

I actually posted here instead of there as wanted both posts deleted to start a new thread so it made more sense as had 2 different posts going they put both in and it didn't make sense and they don't remove posts so had to leave it.

I don't understand why you are directing people to another website I'm allowed to post on here as well should I need to. I also find that I was able to put my point across a little better on here than on there it turned into a bit of a rant.

I also posted in another thread relating to this matter so decided to keep them all on this site instead to keep things in order

I don't see why you needed to do that?

tomtontom

Gavin78 wrote: »

I actually posted here instead of there as wanted both posts deleted to start a new thread so it made more sense as had 2 different posts going they put both in and it didn't make sense and they don't remove posts so had to leave it.

I don't understand why you are directing people to another website I'm allowed to post on here as well should I need to. I also find that I was able to put my point across a little better on here than on there it turned into a bit of a rant.

I also posted in another thread relating to this matter so decided to keep them all on this site instead to keep things in order

I don't see why you needed to do that?

The link to the other thread is helpful, it gives more detail so people can give fuller responses.

Gavin78

FBaby wrote: »

Sorry but I think she has been completely dishonest. She was allowed to take time off PAID to do her course. Why would it even cross her mind to think that they would pay her when she is not on the course?

You say that she assumed she was allowed the time to continue her Uni work...when her classes were finished, really? And she had meetings each of the 6+ Thursday she didn't have a course for a few hours? Really?

She was extremely lucky to have been given paid time off to study and yet she chose to abuse that privilege, that's really poor professionalism. As for her being late regularly because she had to settle your daughter, that just isn't acceptable. Many parents have to leave their kids upset because they have to rush to be on time to work. That's life when you're a working parent. Again, it shows a lack of commitment and it is not surprising the Head is fed up with her at this stage.

Pay was never discussed in the meeting she simply told them about the course and they said it was ok. but as it was she was paid for the time. after speaking to the wife she actually started the course September 2015 and filled in the calendar dates for the whole year to say she was out of school and never thought anymore of it. I was pointing out that she was still active in the Uni doing her work out of the semester times not on a shopping trip hence the reason I said that some of these days she had spoken with the tutors over her work as proof that she was in the uni.

As for our daughter well she was getting upset to the point she was getting sick with it while this was for a short time it added to the 10+ lates it made her even though she had made some provisions to get there early. it was the nurseries req that she stayed to settle her to save them having to come for her later on if she hadn't settled.

Gavin78

FBaby wrote: »

So read the other thread, as I suspected, the timesheet were corrected by a witness who noticed that OP's wife was claiming to be there earlier than the actual time she got in.

So somehow didn't think the need to discuss whether it was ok for her to still take the paid time off when not at her course and being a bit confused about the time she actually gets into school...

But don't understand why the Head has some concerns about her being dishonest... As for the statement that he should have noticed earlier... I would expect a Head of school as more important matters to be concerned with then checking that someone lucky enough to be paid to go and do their BA could actually push their luck and take the time to do other things.

Because he's the head of the school and he oversees the rota in staff meetings when the rota is brought up and discussed along side the Admin/business manager who also takes care of the calendar. the fact my OH put the full year into the calendar at the start of the term she never thought of semester dates and just looked at doing the course. Nothing was ever mentioned and she just went out as usual this would never have happened if they had agreed a plan in the first place and the head actually looking at what her course entailed and they agreed times and dates. The head has never shown an interest in her course until a year later and she has never hidden the fact she was attending and even contacting her tutor on the course to speak with the head.

This has only come to light since the tutor gave him the dates they run the course from so even my wife was unaware she was actually doing wrong until all this came to light

Gavin78

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

I find it hard to believe that an agreement for paid time off to undertake external education was not formalised in writing (or in minutes) to record the 'indulgence'.

Normally this type of arrangement (the use of public funds) needs a written request and an agreement recorded for audit purposes.

As to times of attendance discrepancies - your wife should check in each morning with her line manager as soon as she has booked in. This will reinforce the fact that she is present and on time.

She should also make the effort to get in 10 minutes before core time - not leaving it to the last minute. Plus, she needs to clarify which clock is being used to check her declarations - that might be where the differences occur.

Your wife should also formally lodge her suspicion of times being altered by a colleague and ask this to be investigated.

I just don't understand why this is so 'he said, she said'... these sorts of queries / concerns should always be recorded as then it is harder for someone to dispute the facts.

Which is my point this has you say has turned into a bit of he said she said. the school never asked for any details relating to the course. the head didn't even know what course she was doing despite the detailed conversation about it at the time when he said it was ok. my OH filled the dates in put them all on the staff calendar for all to see so she wasn't hiding the fact she was out the whole school could see it. My gripe is the fact if they never asked for any of the details relating the course what it involved times she would be out what cover was in place and what days she would be in then mistakes like this wouldn't have happened.

As I said to the OH in hindsight she should have done all this in writing at the start but it's too late now I guess she''ll just have to put her point across and hope for the best

xapprenticex

tbh even if she keeps the job, it may end up being a hostile environment for her as the head clearly doesnt want her there anymore and no longer trusts/respects her.

Tiddlywinks

Gavin78 wrote: »

As for our daughter well she was getting upset to the point she was getting sick with it while this was for a short time it added to the 10+ lates it made her even though she had made some provisions to get there early. it was the nurseries req that she stayed to settle her to save them having to come for her later on if she hadn't settled.

You don't seem to get it - she was late - full stop.

She doesn't get special treatment just because your daughter had issues starting nursery.... welcome to the world of working parents everywhere.

You both seem to think that it's ok because the nursery is attached to the school - late is late.