Sugar Tax

antrobus

Generali wrote: »

... The Tesco Value lemonade, currently selling for 17p for 2 litres will attract a tax of 48p!!!

cells wrote: »

the 17p stuff has no sugar in it, its how they can sell it for 17p

Correct. Tesco Everyday Value Sugar Free Lemonade 2L Bottle is indeed 'sugar free' and has 0g of sugar. No tax.:)

http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/?id=253654443

Generali

antrobus wrote: »

Correct. Tesco Everyday Value Sugar Free Lemonade 2L Bottle is indeed 'sugar free' and has 0g of sugar. No tax.:)

http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/?id=253654443

So what's the cheapest per litre soft drink product out there?

antrobus

cells wrote: »

I think the biggest impact could be on the syrup industry that supplies that fast food outlets and pubs. Those products are not really the premium full taste stuff you get in cans or bottles but some sort of cheap look-a-like that can be post mixed with soda with the brand of the big suppliers like coke or pepsi.

I can see the industry changing those recipes to be 4.99g/litre as there is less of an issue on maintaining a particular exact taste

Saving 12p per cup would be quite significant for them as they tend to operate on fairly low net margins

But that's standard for the soft drinks business. What Coke does is manufacture various concentrates that are then mixed with water by other companies, commonly known as bottlers. This is the Coca-Cola System.

See interesting account of Coke's early days
http://fortune.com/2014/11/25/coca-cola-capitalism/

I have no idea whether or not the concentrates they supply to the likes of Wetherspoons are any different from those that are supplied to bottlers. God knows. People are always arguing about whether or not the Coke that arrives through one distribution chanel is better than another.

antrobus

Generali wrote: »

So what's the cheapest per litre soft drink product out there?

I suspect that supermarket value fizz at 8.5p per litre is as cheap as it goes. It's basically carbonated water with flavourings and sweetener, with very likely a 'stabiliser' to stop the contents settling.

Given that the cost of tap water is likely less than 1p a litre, there must still be a margin in it, even with the packaging and distribution, which is probably a lot more.

Feral_Moon

Mistermeaner wrote: »

If it was up to me I would just ban all fizzy poppy drinks. Everyone on water.

While I was at it I'd ban protein powders and all their pseudo science and that Wellman vitabiotics cra p as well

Unfortunately its not up to me.

Yet

Couldn't agree more! :T

HornetSaver

Mistermeaner wrote: »

If it was up to me I would just ban all fizzy poppy drinks. Everyone on water.

While I was at it I'd ban protein powders and all their pseudo science and that Wellman vitabiotics cra p as well

Unfortunately its not up to me.

Yet

Democracy still getting in your way huh?

For what it's worth I agree with you. The risks from sugary soft drinks are known and therefore are being tackled. The risks from sugar free soft drinks and the other stuff you mention are largely unknown, but I wouldn't bet against them being just as bad in the long run, and in some cases worse.

cells

HornetSaver wrote: »

Democracy still getting in your way huh?

For what it's worth I agree with you. The risks from sugary soft drinks are known and therefore are being tackled. The risks from sugar free soft drinks and the other stuff you mention are largely unknown, but I wouldn't bet against them being just as bad in the long run, and in some cases worse.

That's the sprit. Ignore chemistry biology and science and go off the tried and tested formula. new = bad, old = good

HornetSaver

cells wrote: »

That's the sprit. Ignore chemistry biology and science and go off the tried and tested formula. new = bad, old = good

Well, beer and wine predate all of the drinks we are talking about...

... but I resent and rejcect the implication that I was doing anything of the kind.

The truth is, we can not claim to know the health implications of any ingredient which is less than a lifetime or so old. We haven't got a clue if some of the additives in these drinks and other products mentioned above are carcinogenic, will cause impotence, or indeed contain the cure to ageing and boost fertility. We only know that they do what they are designed to do - be that taste sweet without containing sugar, or improving muscle to fat ratio.

Generali

So what's the cheapest 8g/100ml soda on the market in the UK? Who is going to killed by this tax?

cells

HornetSaver wrote: »

Well, beer and wine predate all of the drinks we are talking about...

... but I resent and rejcect the implication that I was doing anything of the kind.

The truth is, we can not claim to know the health implications of any ingredient which is less than a lifetime or so old. We haven't got a clue if some of the additives in these drinks and other products mentioned above are carcinogenic, will cause impotence, or indeed contain the cure to ageing and boost fertility. We only know that they do what they are designed to do - be that taste sweet without containing sugar, or improving muscle to fat ratio.

I totally agree we (you and I) dont know their short medium or long term impacts because we (you and I) are not the relevant scientists in that field.