Are the Tories going to tear themselves apart?

Spidernick

michaels wrote: »

I know no one ever credits politicians with intelligence or planning but one explanation might be that ids,actually believing in brexit, saw the best way of boosting brexit support as not being arguing for brexit and being called a racist little englander but by doing the maximum to hurt the tory govt on the grounds that many will treat the vote as a referendum on the govt. How best to hurt the govt? Have his dept to draw up some 'nasty' policies towards a defenceless group for the budget then at the moment calculated to cause the most harm announce his resignation in protest to the nasty changes.

I'd agree with this to an extent and think that he has in mind getting one of the bigger jobs (Foreign Secretary, for example), should the Brexit happen and Johnson takes over as PM. He is taking a calculated risk rather than suddenly developing a conscience to my mind.

mwpt

Moby wrote: »

From what Ive heard Osborne planned to remove the 40% tax relief on pensions in this budget. He saw himself as leaving a legacy of a pension reforming Chancellor. He had to row back on this when he saw it was politically unacceptable and tried to fill the gap with the mish mash of measures we see that then blew up in his face.

I've heard that none of that is true.

Generali

Moby wrote: »

From what Ive heard Osborne planned to remove the 40% tax relief on pensions in this budget. He saw himself as leaving a legacy of a pension reforming Chancellor. He had to row back on this when he saw it was politically unacceptable and tried to fill the gap with the mish mash of measures we see that then blew up in his face.

Out of interest how are you close to the Budget decision making process? Is it just this one decision you are privy to or are you closely associated with policy?

kinger101

mwpt wrote: »

I've heard that none of that is true.

There was a lot of kite flying on this one. And the fixed rate of "relief" rather than the marginal rate was one of the ideas touted.

michaels

Need help on why Boris won't be the next tory leader if we don't vote for brexit? Surely the tory leadership electorate are pro bexit? Would anyone be shocked if May and Osborne turned a bit ambivalent closer to the vote?

kinger101

Thrugelmir wrote: »

I used to get MIRAS and tax relief on endowment policies. Nothing new in such policies.

There isn't. But I'm entitled to dislike the policy nonetheless on the grounds of it being IMO unfair. And being a giveaway the treasury can ill-afford. I don't measure whether I like policies based on whether they have any resemblance to previous policies.

The one thing we can say about MIRAs though is it didn't discriminate based on age.

kinger101

michaels wrote: »

Need help on why Boris won't be the next tory leader if we don't vote for brexit? Surely the tory leadership electorate are pro bexit? Would anyone be shocked if May and Osborne turned a bit ambivalent closer to the vote?

It's not impossible, but having nailed your colours to the wrong mast on such a big issue would probably be viewed as a big negative.

Spidernick

michaels wrote: »

Need help on why Boris won't be the next tory leader if we don't vote for brexit?

Presumably he would be seen as a 'loser'?

kinger101

Spidernick wrote: »

Presumably he would be seen as a 'loser'?

Corbyn is a total loser..........

michaels

Spidernick wrote: »

Presumably he would be seen as a 'loser'?

But as a tory mp who was disappointed in losing the brexit vote who would you choose to stand up for the uk in europe (plus someone who has won twice for the tories in london and hasn't had half his budgets unpicked in shambles)