The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

antrobus

Tromking wrote: »

Lol!
Who's denying Scotland anything?
The Scots are free to leave whenever they want and their last opportunity to do so was a mere two years ago.

It's actually three years.:)

But never mind. Scotland can have its independence whenever it wants, as far as I'm concerned. Of course, the rest of us will £8 bn a year (or whatever) better off, what with not having to pay the subsidy.

Quite how this hypothetical independent Scotland is going to make up this loss I don't know. Certainly, none of the SNP zealots have a fliipin clue.

mayonnaise

Tromking wrote: »

The Scots are free to leave whenever they want and their last opportunity to do so was a mere two years ago.

Yes, but that was a legal referendum.
As Catalonia has shown, the way to go is to organise an illegal one, have only pro-Indy supporters show up and job done.

tracey3596

mayonnaise wrote: »

Yes, but that was a legal referendum.
As Catalonia has shown, the way to go is to organise an illegal one, have only pro-Indy supporters show up and job done.

Or (as you just did) we could just ignore altogether the fact that Spain wouldn't let Catalonia have a legal referendum, as opposed to the UK which did allow one.

Arklight

Bold Scots are setting their jaws to freedom. They will take any amount of poverty and are unmoved by the prospect of awful hardship if it means freedom for their fair land.

They will not complain endlessly about the sassanach and then vote No for an easy life.

Shakethedisease

Cue massive back pedalling..

Ruth Davidson makes a bizarre bid to back away from Stephen Crabb

In particular, Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson now appears very keen to distance herself from the MP who she once called her "political soulmate"

After Crabb apologised at the weekend for “sexual chatter” with a teenager, Davidson’s office got in touch with one writer via Twitter...

In an outcome that Davison’s office had perhaps not hoped for, Waddell pointed out that Davidson had indeed appeared to back Crabb – who voted against equal marriage

https://www.totalpolitics.com/articles/diary/ruth-davidson-makes-bizarre-bid-back-away-stephen-crabb#.WfcUiN-Uayl.twitter

Shaka_Zulu

Shakethedisease

Barking Mad Jill Stephenson ? Well done with that wee nugget. She's bordering on unhinged these days. A bit of a stranger to the facts one might say..

Shakethedisease

Filed under jokes that Davidson might want to wish she hadn't made.. Especially the texting part at the end. :o:o:rotfl:

Shakethedisease

And this from arch unionist Chris Deering has GOT to hurt. No wonder Kevin Hague has had to set up a new think tank extolling the virtues of the UK in the wake of Brexit. The old GERS thing no one gives a flying whatever for anymore.

Here’s the thing: at the end of the Brexit process, do you really think Scots – the majority of whom view being forced out of the EU against their will as a grave national insult – will swallow their pride, tuck back in and play their part in making Britain (England) great again? Does the most likely shape of that new state, which by economic necessity seems destined to be the kind of place that will bring a satisfied smile to the Redwood face, seem like the kind of society Scots have traditionally been comfortable with...

...None of this gives me any pleasure, but it would be a lie to say I can’t feel my internal chemistry beginning to change. I won’t be the only one. The Britain I argued for in 2014 is ceasing to exist, has made a monkey of me, is regenerating into an unattractively spivvy character – and it doesn’t seem to care, really.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2017/10/britain-s-brexit-toxicity-pushing-scots-away

Full article at link. And an interesting read from whatever your perspective. Deerin himself is ( or was ) 100% confirmed unionist.

Shakethedisease

mayonnaise wrote: »

Yes, but that was a legal referendum.
As Catalonia has shown, the way to go is to organise an illegal one, have only pro-Indy supporters show up and job done.

Subtle but important difference from Catalonia ( one of many differences ).. but Scotland isn't voting as a region to secede from the UK, it's voting to dissolve a union it voluntarily entered as a country.

Scotland isn't part of another country, it's in a union with other countries. :cool:

Catalonia, I suspect the new elections in December will dissolve into farce. Spain has already said if an/independence parties win then they'll simply impose Article 155 again. The problem Spain has is that the grassroots support for independence won't just disappear and is probably now becoming stronger. As fast as they arrest or exile independence leaders, more will simply pop up and replace them. It's an idea/cause they're after, not any specific leader or party.

I, m!s concretament, vol que Catalunya esdevingui un Estat independent? (And, more specifically, do you want Catalonia to become an independent State?)
Yes 48.7% (+7.6)
No 43.6% (-5.8)

The fieldwork dates were 16th-29th October, and with Don't Knows excluded the results are roughly: Yes 53%, No 47%. Percentage changes are from the same polling organisation's figures in June.

The 'less specific' question asked by the poll is a multi-option question on various constitutional options - a bit like Scottish polls that chuck in a 'Devo Max' option. Outright independence is the most popular single option with 40.2% support. It's true that if you combine support for all of the options that involve Catalonia remaining within the Spanish state, you reach an overall majority - but, crucially, one of those options is Catalonia becoming a state in its own right within a federal Spain, which is clearly not on offer in the real world. That explains why there is a pro-independence majority on the binary Yes/No question.

http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/opinion-poll-confirms-what-we-already.html

In the face of the above is likely independence supporting parties will win again in December.