Budget 2016

Out,_Vile_Jelly

Just had to break open the emergency Old Jamaica Ginger in my office fridge for medicinal reasons (hangover). Lovely untaxed sugar mmmm.

Mistermeaner

I've never understood why 'u-turns' as they get called get so much derision - isn't this how the system works?

The chancellor (or anyone else for that matter) proposes an amendment which is then debated, tweaked, reviewed, debated and then either approved or not.

Chancellor has proposed something, it hasn;t yet been debated, if the result of that debate is it either gets rejects or amended and approved what is wrong with that?

mwpt

Mistermeaner wrote: »

I've never understood why 'u-turns' as they get called get so much derision - isn't this how the system works?

The chancellor (or anyone else for that matter) proposes an amendment which is then debated, tweaked, reviewed, debated and then either approved or not.

Chancellor has proposed something, it hasn;t yet been debated, if the result of that debate is it either gets rejects or amended and approved what is wrong with that?

Working as intended?

Politics in action, use every means possible to undermine and/or deride the opposition.

Tromking

Mistermeaner wrote: »

I've never understood why 'u-turns' as they get called get so much derision - isn't this how the system works?

The chancellor (or anyone else for that matter) proposes an amendment which is then debated, tweaked, reviewed, debated and then either approved or not.

Chancellor has proposed something, it hasn;t yet been debated, if the result of that debate is it either gets rejects or amended and approved what is wrong with that?

Osborne is obviously hampered by the Tories wafer-thin majority, but the Tax credits u-turn cost him £27bn that after Wednesday he would probably quite like to play with now. Some people would argue that stable, coherent stewardship of the economy and the ability to take his party with him was quite important for a Chancellor.

michaels

It seems sad that we are all becoming so much more disabled so quickly that an increase of 20% (£10.5bn) on the total amount to be paid out in the period 2015-2019 from what was estimated in October 14 is considered to be a cut

Mistermeaner

Tromking wrote: »

Osborne is obviously hampered by the Tories wafer-thin majority, but the Tax credits u-turn cost him £27bn that after Wednesday he would probably quite like to play with now. Some people would argue that stable, coherent stewardship of the economy and the ability to take his party with him was quite important for a Chancellor.

Dont disagree... but wasnt the tax credit change undermined by the unelected lords. Arguably they are partly responsible now for a 27bil hole - should they be blamed then for nhs underfunding and a reduced expenditure on disability?

mwpt

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Dont disagree... but wasnt the tax credit change undermined by the unelected lords. Arguably they are partly responsible now for a 27bil hole - should they be blamed then for nhs underfunding and a reduced expenditure on disability?

The hole can be filled in by borrowing more. Nothing bad ever happens by borrowing more and rates are cheap, you'd be mad not to, claim big statists.

Generali

onlyroz wrote: »

Semantics. Either way he's giving extra money to those who don't really need it while taking it away from those who do. If there's a problem with some people claiming money they genuinely don't need then by all means sort that out, but surely that just means there's more in the pot for genuine claimants?

That's twaddle.

If I say I might give you a score but only end up giving you a tenner you are still ten squids up on the deal.

That is exactly the same thing that is happening with PIP.

michaels

mwpt wrote: »

The hole can be filled in by borrowing more. Nothing bad ever happens by borrowing more and rates are cheap, you'd be mad not to, claim big statists.

Worked for Greece so I don't see why it shouldn't work for us.

Remind me again what sort of cuts have happened to Greek health expenditure.....

Mistermeaner

Any party who opposes cuts cannot IMO then criticise a lack of deficit reduction.