Phone noise, routers and microfilters

AndyPix

kwikbreaks wrote: »

Actually it's just plain old fibre to the cabinet and VDSL twisted pair from there to a modem.
Unlike VM "fibre" which is DOCSIS over fibre to a cabinet and coax still carrying DOCSIS from there to a modem.

They are both advertised as fibre but neither are as pedants just love to point out for some very obscure reason. Possibly just in an attempt to impress. It doesn't.

The only thing I am trying to impress, is my annoyance at these companies selling it as VDSL fibre when it isn't.
It would more accurately be called VDSL copper, as the vdsl part of the circuit travels over copper as you point out, the rest of the circuit is fibre to the cabinet, and while plain old ADSL could form the latter part of the circuit too then why should they be allowed to call is VDSL fibre ?
Surely in that case, normal ADSL should be called ADSL fibre too ??


You seem to have taken this personally when it wasn't aimed at you.


As usual

AndyPix

kwikbreaks wrote: »

In the case of "fibre broadband" I'm sure you are well aware what the purveyors are actually selling even if they don't themselves. If you are going to get irritated by every technological half-wit you meet then your life will be a misery indeed.

No - I am annoyed by the companies selling this who know exactly what they are doing/misselling

kwikbreaks

They do it because the ASA allow them to.
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2014/11/asa-uk-rules-bt-can-describe-fttc-fibre-optic-broadband.html
I think it started out with VM calling their DOCSIS cable broadband fibre.
They are allowed to as well - http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3391-asa-rules-on-virgin-fibre-optic-broadband-claims.html

I think the only difference between us is just how many !!!!s each of us give on the terminology. In my case it is zero !!!!s.

stator

Worst-ASA-decision-EVER

grumbler

stator wrote: »

Worst-ASA-decision-EVER

Not really worse than allowing to use the word 'unlimited' in adverts and clarify in the small print that it's limited actually.

One of the most useless and incompetent 'authorities' in UK. Next to TS, Ofcom and Payphoneplus.

AndyPix

kwikbreaks wrote: »

I think the only difference between us is just how many !!!!s each of us give on the terminology. In my case it is zero !!!!s.

terminology is key in IT . I like to say precisely what I mean . And slight differences in what terminology is use can mean big differences.


Are you the type of guy/girl who says his/her internet speed is 10megaBYTES a second (or whatever) instead of megabits ?


Precise terminology in IT is essential , similar terms can mean very different things

kwikbreaks

I think I've spent enough time discussing your apparent inability to understand common usage of the term fibre broadband - especially when I specified "on a BT line" too.

Incidentally I worked in IT from 1970 until I retired in 2012. It wasn't called IT in 1970 though it was called DP.

AndyPix

kwikbreaks wrote: »

I think I've spent enough time discussing your apparent inability to understand common usage of the term fibre broadband - especially when I specified "on a BT line" too.

Incidentally I worked in IT from 1970 until I retired in 2012. It wasn't called IT in 1970 though it was called DP.

Here we go again with the snide digs ..


I fully understand the usage of the term "fibre broadband" . But that is not what you said.
You said VDSL fibre broadband, which is not correct.
And when I pointed that out, it was not a dig at you, but a dig at the companies who are selling "VDSL fibre" leading people to believe they are getting a fibre service, when they are not.


If you are not happy with precise technical terms then perhaps you shouldn't be giving out advice on technical forums, as people who may not be so technically minded will take what you say as gospel and will not be able to differentiate that you are using a "common term"


I also couldn't care less when you worked in IT or what it was called then.
It is called IT now and fibre broadband is broadband down a fibre . Not copper


If you cant speak in precise technical terms then perhaps its time to give it up


VDSL is not fibre broadband, but rather a clever way to tweak the frequency of the signal down the same copper wire by effectively shortening the distance that the signal has to travel.

mgfvvc

Now the flame war over terminology is more or less over, I can report that an Openreach engineer came yesterday, rewired the connection into the house and updated the ADSL faceplate on the master socket.

There was still a noise problem, so he ran some more tests and fixed a join at the telegraph pole. Since then the connection has been stable. I am getting 12.5Mbps down, as reported by the modem, and expecting it to train to a higher rate over the next week or so.

kwikbreaks

Excellent news.

One thing I can't help but mention though is that even with fibre right to the home - FTTP - the last little bit will get delivered either by WiFi or by the naughty copper wires in ethernet cable.