Kitchen fitting cost

must_try_harder_2

We are in the process of getting kitchen fitting quotes. As well as fitting the kitchen there's lots of other stuff that needs doing like moving a door, and making a window smaller.

There are 5 tall appliance/larder units, 3 wall units and 7 base units (plus integrated dishwasher).

The kitchen is about 4mx3.5m. How much would you estimate (just ballpark figure obviously) for the following?

Take out old kitchen
Fit new units and appliances (units pre-built)
Fit new worktops (laminate)
Electrics
Move ceiling spotlights (4)
Fit new undercut board lights
Alter and fit new sockets
Fit new supply to induction hob
Supply and fit underfloor heating
Supply and fit a new 10way consumer box
Plumbing
Move and fit sink and pipework
Block off gas supply and radiator
Fit dishwasher
Move wastepipe
Building work
Knock out old doorway
Supply and fit new concrete lintel
Block off old doorway with studwork and plasterboard
Make good walls
Take down coving
Box off area above new units to ceiling
Lift kitchen and utility room floor to allow running new waste pipe
Take out old window
Partially brick up window
Supply and fit new upvc double glazed window
Make good inside and outside
Tiling
Tile wall splashback (3.6sqmts)
Tile floor area (15sqmts)


Thank you

Dan-Dan

as rough as its possible to be but upwards of 10k

Silver-Surfer_2

Thing is you need more than one trade there.

You'll need people with fensa, Part P and Gas Safe. On top of the ability to do brickwork, carpentry and tile.

must_try_harder_2

Wow, more than 10K. I wasn't expecting it to be anywhere near that much.

I know the mix of builder, carpenter, tiler, plumber, electrician isn't the easiest to come across. Would it be cheaper to source all of these independently than find a company who can sort it all? The only issue I foresee with that is if something is delayed and you have a different job booked in two days later, it would cause issues.

Also, we could easily rip out the kitchen, and get a skip ourselves and we could do the wall tiling. But I was thinking that overall those things wouldn't add an awful lot to the cost anyway.

Dan-Dan

must_try_harder wrote: »

Wow, more than 10K. I wasn't expecting it to be anywhere near that much.

I know the mix of builder, carpenter, tiler, plumber, electrician isn't the easiest to come across. Would it be cheaper to source all of these independently than find a company who can sort it all? The only issue I foresee with that is if something is delayed and you have a different job booked in two days later, it would cause issues.

Also, we could easily rip out the kitchen, and get a skip ourselves and we could do the wall tiling. But I was thinking that overall those things wouldn't add an awful lot to the cost anyway.

Easily , i know , i had similar , sorry (i am in the home counties)

phill99

I do this for a living. Don't underestimate how much work you have there. You have about 2 weeks work before you get to the kitchen fitting stage.

Where abouts are you based?

must_try_harder_2

We are also in the home counties so I knew it would be more. But when we have had kitchens fitted before, and our friends and family have, it's been nowhere near this cost (despite there being walls knocked down, doors bricked up, moving the entire kitchen from one side of the house to an area where there was no plumbing or electrics).

Any advice on how to bring the costs down? What things on the list are likely to be the most expensive? Because unfortunately we just don't have 10k to spend

Dan-Dan

I think you really need to look closely at the list you put up here , and try to understand what Phil said

Only you know what you can sacrifice to make it work ,only thing anyone can suggest from here is to do as much of the labour yourselves as possible

phill99

My gut feeling without seeing the job is that if I was to do a supply and fit on this ie I provide all cabinets, worktops, tiles, appliances etc, it's really a job that will come to £18 - £20k.

If you don't have that budget you need to do one of two things

1. Get more money. Save, borrow, rob a bank.
2. Reduce the specification. Make a list of 'Must haves', 'need to have', 'nice to have'. You must have the electrics done and upgraded, but do you need plinth lights? Do you need underfloor heating?

Only you can decide what is essential.

onomatopoeia99

Have you considered going to an independent kitchen company for the whole thing? Units, installation, building work? Reason I say this is a colleague looked into a project of similar scope and it made more sense to him to get everything managed by the supplier that has a number of contractors they work with regularly and the fitting cost became much more reasonable - possibly some was absorbed in less discount on the units, it's impossible to say, of course.

You have listed a absolute ton of work, some of which has little to do with some new kitchen units (new consumer unit, for example), and some "how long is a piece of string?" jobs (e.g. "supply and fit underfloor heating")

UFH will be into four figures on its own. I installed a wet system in my kitchen and it cost me that in parts once stuff like insulation was considered, before I started thinking about a new floor to go on top.

You want new lintels (structural engineer involved here), new windows, raising the floor. It's all very "grand designs" and you don't have even a £10k budget? If your budget is that limited, you should do everything that doesn't require qualifications / membership of a trade body yourself. So plumbing, UFH, all the tiling, building the stud wall, gutting the old kitchen, installing the units etc etc. and be prepared to live with minimal cooking facilities for some months. I did all this when I installed my kitchen and it's very moneysaving, but a long road. I paid for electrics, gas, and plastering (because my plastering is hopeless). I put the plasterboard up, I laid the floor (insulation, UFH and slate tiles), installed the units, cut and installed the worktop, did the minor (non-notifiable) electrical jobs, installed and plumbed the new radiator, installed the extractor and ducted it through the roof, tiled the walls above the worktops, painted the rest of the room etc etc etc. I saved a lot of money that way, but the room was a building site for 18 months as I could only work on it when I had a weekend free.

must_try_harder_2

phill99 wrote: »

My gut feeling without seeing the job is that if I was to do a supply and fit on this ie I provide all cabinets, worktops, tiles, appliances etc, it's really a job that will come to £18 - £20k.

If you don't have that budget you need to do one of two things

1. Get more money. Save, borrow, rob a bank.
2. Reduce the specification. Make a list of 'Must haves', 'need to have', 'nice to have'. You must have the electrics done and upgraded, but do you need plinth lights? Do you need underfloor heating?

Only you can decide what is essential.

Thank you for the guesstimate.

The thing is we do have a budget of 18-20k. But we are paying £10k for the kitchen, £3k for appliances, and almost £1k for tiles. If we could get the whole thing for £19k that would mean getting fitting and all other work done for 5k!

You're quite right we definitely don't need plinth lights, and underfloor heating isn't necessary (although it's not a small room and there will be no radiator after the kitchen is fitted so I am worried it will be cold).

onomatopoeia99 wrote: »

Have you considered going to an independent kitchen company for the whole thing? Units, installation, building work? Reason I say this is a colleague looked into a project of similar scope and it made more sense to him to get everything managed by the supplier that has a number of contractors they work with regularly and the fitting cost became much more reasonable - possibly some was absorbed in less discount on the units, it's impossible to say, of course.

You have listed a absolute ton of work, some of which has little to do with some new kitchen units (new consumer unit, for example), and some "how long is a piece of string?" jobs (e.g. "supply and fit underfloor heating")

UFH will be into four figures on its own. I installed a wet system in my kitchen and it cost me that in parts once stuff like insulation was considered, before I started thinking about a new floor to go on top.

You want new lintels (structural engineer involved here), new windows, raising the floor. It's all very "grand designs" and you don't have even a £10k budget? If your budget is that limited, you should do everything that doesn't require qualifications / membership of a trade body yourself. So plumbing, UFH, all the tiling, building the stud wall, gutting the old kitchen, installing the units etc etc. and be prepared to live with minimal cooking facilities for some months. I did all this when I installed my kitchen and it's very moneysaving, but a long road. I paid for electrics, gas, and plastering (because my plastering is hopeless). I put the plasterboard up, I laid the floor (insulation, UFH and slate tiles), installed the units, cut and installed the worktop, did the minor (non-notifiable) electrical jobs, installed and plumbed the new radiator, installed the extractor and ducted it through the roof, tiled the walls above the worktops, painted the rest of the room etc etc etc. I saved a lot of money that way, but the room was a building site for 18 months as I could only work on it when I had a weekend free.

Thank you for your reply. We are getting the kitchen from an independent place, and they did originally quote for fitting, but said we would have to sort the building/plumbing/electrics etc as they could do the dry fit only.

I do appreciate that a good proportion of the work would have needed doing regardless. The electrics especially. Though saying that the main reason we need a new consumer unit is because we are having an induction hob. With more people having these, surely having to upgrade the electrics is a fairly standard thing to have to do in a kitchen? Also we had two rough quotes for the underfloor heating and both were around the £500 mark.

I don't think it is very grand designs really. We don't need to raise the floor. We just need the floorboards lifting up so that plumbing can be re-routed, then the same floorboards putting back down. I don't think that in itself is a difficult thing to do - I could probably even do that bit myself (as long as a plumber could re-route the pipes).

If all we want to do is change the position of a door (by moving it along 50cm), make a window smaller, and then move the plumbing and electrics, then fit the kitchen. It's not that unusual is it? I know not every kitchen re-fit will need a new consumer box, or the position of the sink and cooker changing, so it will obviously be higher than average for fitting. But we are spending £13k on the kitchen and appliances - to spend almost the same again on the fitting of it and associated works seems a lot to me.

Can I ask, if we are just moving an internal door, why do we need a structural engineer involved? It's not a supporting wall.