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MSE News: Government refuses to budge on women's state pension changes

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  • le_loup
    le_loup Posts: 4,047 Forumite
    saver861 wrote: »
    Politicians have a priority list. Self first - party second - constituents third. Thats not the order they would recite if you ask them of course!!
    ............ bit like this campaign's members.
  • OldBeanz
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    The effect on the government has been the equivalent of some ladies breaking wind in a gale.
  • Goldiegirl
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    OldBeanz wrote: »
    The effect on the government has been the equivalent of some ladies breaking wind in a gale.

    A true lady never breaks wind!:rotfl:
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  • Paul_Herring
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    saver861 wrote: »
    Ah right. You know more than me about me then .... never knew I was a supporter of WASPI ... that's news to me.

    It was not an unreasonable assumption to make, given your attitude in posts on the matter.

    And it was "support of the WASPI cause", not a "supporter of WASPI" - slight, but not insignificant, difference.
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  • Thrugelmir
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    saver861 wrote: »

    Politicians have a priority list. Self first - party second - constituents third. Thats not the order they would recite if you ask them of course!!

    Unlike the electorate the majority, I believe, do what they think is right for the country and it's long term prosperity. Electorate puts self interest first. In no way saying politicians are right. However they have access to the whole machinery of the Civil Service. So are better informed than those of us who dabble on internet forums.
  • saver861
    saver861 Posts: 1,408 Forumite
    le_loup wrote: »
    ............ bit like this campaign's members.

    Yes - I would not disagree. The people that started this campaign did so because they were personally out of pocket as a result of the changes. They got together with others in the same situation and it then expanded.

    The personal impact that instigated the move does not disappear. So it is self interest that drives it. In the same way, many that oppose it do so because there is no personal gain for them, and/or potential loss in some area. Thus, its equivalent in self interest.
    Thrugelmir wrote: »
    Unlike the electorate the majority, I believe, do what they think is right for the country and it's long term prosperity. Electorate puts self interest first. In no way saying politicians are right. However they have access to the whole machinery of the Civil Service. So are better informed than those of us who dabble on internet forums.

    They are elected to do whats right for the country and, of course, they will not vote for something that is bad for the country but benefits them personally. The Media will see to that very quickly if they did so.

    I think there are politicians who have become so fighting for some cause, perhaps due to the death of a loved one etc. Such politicians are less likely to have self interest at the forefront, though even some of these get caught up in the mighty political machine and temporarily lose sight of their original reasons,
  • saver861
    saver861 Posts: 1,408 Forumite
    It was not an unreasonable assumption to make, given your attitude in posts on the matter.

    And it was "support of the WASPI cause", not a "supporter of WASPI" - slight, but not insignificant, difference.

    Ah but I have not at any point stated I was a WASPI supporter - thus an assumption. Be careful of assumptions.

    Even less so am I a supporter of the WASPI cause in terms of getting the 1995 policy changed. I've said it many times, its not going to happen.

    What I have said many times though, is that a) their right to start a campaign and ask for what they want is imperative - in the same way if you want to start a campaign to ban all bald men from football matches. Might not get anywhere, but you do have the right.

    More so, I have said many times I think the 2011 policy is unfair and should be changed - particularly for the 54/54 women. They had the longest extension and the shortest notice. If there had been a campaign solely for that I would have supported it. As it is, the WASPI thing is the only thing that was there and thus the only chance of getting the 2011 policy changed. Thus why I signed the petition.

    WASPI have now had their day in the HoC. It might be that the ball will continue to roll for the 2011 changes and being distant from WASPI. It might be that WASPI might change their aims. It might be that everyone gets bored with the whole thing and it dies off and nothing happens.

    So as it stands, the 53/54 women get no change to where they were from 2011 and bear the brunt of the changes.
  • saver861
    saver861 Posts: 1,408 Forumite
    OldBeanz wrote: »
    The effect on the government has been the equivalent of some ladies breaking wind in a gale.
    Goldiegirl wrote: »
    A true lady never breaks wind!:rotfl:

    Sooooo ..... errrrr .......what would the effect be in terms of some men doing the same thing in a gale ....... seeing as we are on equality and all such like ..... :D
  • chris_m
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    saver861 wrote: »
    Sooooo ..... errrrr .......what would the effect be in terms of some men doing the same thing in a gale ....... seeing as we are on equality and all such like ..... :D


    Depends whether they are upwind or downwind of the observer ;)
  • Malthusian
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    However they have access to the whole machinery of the Civil Service. So are better informed than those of us who dabble on internet forums.
    I submit that someone who spends their entire day reading bull**** from the Civil Service and various lobby groups is likely to be worse informed than someone who merely takes an interest in the subject in their spare time. Especially as the politician has to be a trained believer in lies and illogic in order to survive in their job, whereas the person in the real world is free to think rationally and believe the truth.

    A politician is like a goose that sits in a cage all day being force fed through a tube. You can argue that it's "well fed" but that isn't the same thing as being healthy. Nor is being surrounded by party researchers and think-tank jockeys and lobbyists the same thing as being well-informed.
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