BPA couldn't help on a ZZPS parking ticket

shug1565

Hi,

Here is my situation. One day I received a Notice to Keeper from ZZPS out of blue saying that I got a ticket at a railway station car park and I needed to pay £124. I looked at their photo evidence and saw the yellow ticket in the photo. I suspect somebody removed it from my windscreen that day.

I then appealed the case saying I was happy to pay the original discounted charge, but not £124 because I didn't receive it and its their responsibility to deliver the ticket securely, which they didn't.

ZZPS refused to accept my appeal saying it's too late to appeal, although their NTK was saying I could appeal and I would have been given IAS if my appeal failed. They now increased the charge to £190 and threatening court actions.

I complained to BPA based on the fact they didn't accept my appeal. BPA said they couldn't help me because the ticket was issued under railway byelaws and hence not under their remit.

Any idea what I should do at this stage? I wouldn't mind going to court with them because I think I have a good case here. The yellow ticket on the windscreen doesn't guarantee the delivery of the ticket? However, if I lose, will a CCJ cause troubles when I try to find a job?

Thank you very much.

pappa_golf

as you are now several weeks/months into this , tell us what date the offence occurred


ps: you do not get CCJs in a magistrates court

shug1565

It was on 2nd Nov 2015.

pappa_golf

OK the BPA consider this to be a bylaw offence , and as such cannot assist with an appeal


bylaw offences are different to normal parking offences


we will need more info


name of parking Co#
location
and as ZZPS are "pretending" to send a NTK , please blank out your name/address etc and post the FULL WORDING




edit: who are ZZPS collecting the money for (important!)

Coupon-mad

shug1565 wrote: »

It was on 2nd Nov 2015. NTK dated 8th Dec 2015.

As already asked - which parking firm? We don't care about ZZPS and/or Wright Hassall debt letters (easily Googled & ignored).

I doubt this is a real byelaws penalty - does the ZZPS letter call it a 'penalty' or a 'parking charge'?

However, if I lose, will a CCJ cause troubles when I try to find a job?

No, it's not that simple. And real byelaws penalties can only be laid before Magistrates' Court within 6 months of the event.

Don't pay this, tell us more.

shug1565

Thanks. Below are the required information.

pappa_golf

http://s1172.photobucket.com/user/shug1565/media/PCNletter2_zps11v20y4b.png.html




oh dear , a complete railway bylaw offence



more help needed from regulars , however I keep looking at the similarities to this case on pepipoo , http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=103952




and in the immortal words from "gan"


Failure to pay is a Byelaw offence
Failure to display a ticket/permit, or entering the wrong registration details is not an offence




second class ping pong seems in order, (for several months)

Umkomaas

To whom is the payment due? Scan the reverse of the NtK please.

pappa_golf

well the client is govia thameslink railway , however I know where you are coming from


there is no offence under bylaw 14 reg 27 (1) or section 219 of the transport act of "failing to display"


as with above , please scan the rear (payments)


we are getting close to trying to obtain monies by deception here

shug1565

Thanks both. Here is the back page.

i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r568/shug1565/PCNletter3_zpsonwsh5ka.png

Coupon-mad

http://s1172.photobucket.com/user/shug1565/media/PCNletter3_zpsonwsh5ka.png.html

Says cheques to ZZPS so this isn't a real penalty, it's the usual hybrid mess. Once six months is up they are too late to pursue it in the Magistartes court and if they were really treating it as a byelaws offence the money would not go to a debt collector!

ZZPS letters are followed by a Wright Hassall one. See the NEWBIES thread post #4 and collect them.

Did the driver not buy any ticket? Or did it flip over or slip out of sight? Or was it a RingGo car park - forgot to pay?