Pulled Over - No Ticket

fonria

Hi everyone,

Last night I was pulled over for alleged speeding on a dual carriageway. The speed limit is 60, the officer I spoke to (there was two of them) alleged I was driving more like 80. Her words were, 'I had to do 80 to keep up with you'. At no point was I given any exact speed I was allegedly travelling at.

The car is a company car, so I was given a producer and told to visit my local police station within 7 days and provide the requested documentation.

I was surprised when I was given this and this only, because I was expecting a NIP or some other kind of document stating that I had been caught speeding. I asked the officer if I was receiving points or a fine and she said 'No'. The producer has a field for 'Reason for Stop', and it says 'Suspected road traffic offence'.

I have since called the respective police station and tried to find out if, after completing the producer, I will receive a fine in the post or anything like that, they didn't seem to know exactly but advised I would normally receive a roadside traffic offence document if this was the case.

Does anyone know what will happen here? I should have sought more clarity with the officers but in all honestly, she was so irate that I wouldn't admit to the speeding, I wanted to leave the scene as soon as possible. I can't help thinking that the only reason I didn't receive a NIP there and then is because it is a company car vehicle, and it has to go through them, and that I'll receive it through the post in due course once I complete the producer.

Thanks for any help.

leeda84

I had the same thing happen to me a few years ago, albeit at a slower speed. They gave you a producer to check that you are legal to drive and the car is legal as they could not prove you were speeding.i.e. no calibrated equipment on board. Their speedo reading is an indication that you were travelling beyond the speed limit but it is not evidence.

Quentin

Did the PC say you were being reported?


(You don't necessarily get a ticket when you are dealt with directly by a policeman and your offence is being reported for possible prosecutionn)


If you don't meet the requirements of the producer, then that will get added on the "charge sheet"

fonria

leeda84 wrote: »

I had the same thing happen to me a few years ago, albeit at a slower speed. They gave you a producer to check that you are legal to drive and the car is legal as they could not prove you were speeding.i.e. no calibrated equipment on board. Their speedo reading is an indication that you were travelling beyond the speed limit but it is not evidence.

So did you get anything through? I can't help think they gave me that so they could say they did 'something', if you get what I mean.

Quentin wrote: »

Did the PC say you were being reported?


(You don't necessarily get a ticket when you are dealt with directly by a policeman and your offence is being reported for possible prosecutionn)


If you don't meet the requirements of the producer, then that will get added on the "charge sheet"

She absolutely did not, I am 100% on this bit. She said something to the effect of 'if you would have said sorry we would've let you go', before filling out the producer. But nothing about being reported. Before I drove off, she said 'make sure you go within 7 days, as you'll be issued a courts summons otherwise, and it's not worth it'.

Very difficult to know what to make of it!

Quentin

Sounds like she can't prove the speed, but wants to give you a "fright" and hope you learn from it - just get the docs and comply with the producer and hope that's the end of it.


If you get anything through the post then take this to pepipoo which is a better place for "proper" police alleged offences

pappa_golf

2 police officers on a road is acceptable for speed enforcement , one officer on a motorway.


probably just a "frightener" , take your docs in and smile at the civilian.


although why they could not check licence/MOT and insurance at the side of the road is a mystery


unless its the company car insurance thing

yotmon

A 'NIP' can also be given verbally at the time. By the sound of it you have been stopped so they can ' have a word' re' your driving. The HO/RT1 has been given to check that you have the correct doc's for driving the vehicle.
Most Police forces would issue an endorsable FPN (which also contains document production details) for speeding rather than report for summons, as its a lot quicker to deal with and also a lot cheaper ! Reasons for not issuing a FPN would be say driving over 100 mph were an outright ban could be imposed by the court, or you already have sufficient points on your licence for a speeding offence to take you over the 12 points required.

As long as your docs are 'produced' within 7 clear days and they are in order, then I suggest that it will be the end of the matter.

HO87

It does indeed sound like you've been given a "shot across the bows" so make sure you produce the documents.

yotmon wrote: »

Most Police forces would issue an endorsable FPN (which also contains document production details) for speeding rather than report for summons, as its a lot quicker to deal with and also a lot cheaper !

Provided that is justified within the speed enforcement and prosecution guidelines.

yotmon wrote: »

Reasons for not issuing a FPN would be say driving over 100 mph were an outright ban could be imposed by the court, or you already have sufficient points on your licence for a speeding offence to take you over the 12 points required.

Indeed but the prosecution threshold in a 60mph limit is 86mph - which the OP may not have been that unadjacent to.

Keep in mind that, subject to a number of aggravating factors, at 86mph in a 60mph limit a driver on conviction is immediately liable to a fine equivalent to 100% of their "relevant weekly income" (salary/wage minus tax and NI), 4-6 points or a 7-28 day ban. All of which is considerably more severe than the effect of a EFPN.

leeda84

fonria wrote: »

So did you get anything through? I can't help think they gave me that so they could say they did 'something', if you get what I mean.

I received nothing at all in the post. I got a similar telling off, "We know you were going faster than the speed limit permitted as I had to drive over 35mph to catch you up... slow down... here's a producer". I went to the station within 7 days to show my documents and that was the end of the matter.