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BeenThroughItAll

It is to be hoped that the Renault warranty doesn't exclude items which could have been damaged/prematurely failed due to non-standard use.


The gearbox on a horsebox is likely to be under more strain than on the base vehicle, as the vehicle will have the extra weight of the conversion, plus additional drag, which will mean it'll be run in lower gears for longer, and the drivetrain will be under additional strain than in a panel van, where for some of the time it's likely to be empty. You may need to check the warranty terms very carefully.

AdrianC

BeenThroughItAll wrote: »

It is to be hoped that the Renault warranty doesn't exclude items which could have been damaged/prematurely failed due to non-standard use.


The gearbox on a horsebox is likely to be under more strain than on the base vehicle, as the vehicle will have the extra weight of the conversion, plus additional drag, which will mean it'll be run in lower gears for longer, and the drivetrain will be under additional strain than in a panel van, where for some of the time it's likely to be empty. You may need to check the warranty terms very carefully.

I think you might be forgetting one small detail - we're talking about a 3.5t MAM commercial vehicle, with a 6t GTW, sold by the manufacturer as a chassis-cab for coachbuilding the customer's preferred bodywork. Among the list of factory options in the pricelist are overcab wind deflectors for Luton bodies.

It is not a Clio.

BeenThroughItAll

AdrianC wrote: »

I think you might be forgetting one small detail - we're talking about a 3.5t MAM commercial vehicle, with a 6t GTW, sold by the manufacturer as a chassis-cab for coachbuilding the customer's preferred bodywork. Among the list of factory options in the pricelist are overcab wind deflectors for Luton bodies.

It is not a Clio.

I'm not forgetting that - but the manufacturer doesn't design the vehicle to permanently run close to or at MGVW... And I live half a mile from a horsebox builder - they're not anything like as lightweight bodied as an out of the manufacturer-stable Luton van. Add in a couple of horses at .5-.75T each, and bingo. MGVW nearly all the time...

pappa_golf

if they were only capable of 5.75t then they would be rated as 5,75 tons , they are 6t FULL STOP.


horse box , shoebox, toilet roll inner carriers or dray wagons , the max allowed by the manufacturer and the law is 6 ton

AdrianC

BeenThroughItAll wrote: »

I'm not forgetting that - but the manufacturer doesn't design the vehicle to permanently run close to or at MGVW... And I live half a mile from a horsebox builder - they're not anything like as lightweight bodied as an out of the manufacturer-stable Luton van.

They don't sell a Luton. They sell a chassis-cab and a cab top for a Luton.

Add in a couple of horses at .5-.75T each, and bingo. MGVW nearly all the time...

...which is still 2.5t shy of GTW.

BTW, if you think a horsebox body's heavy, try a motorhome. Some of them are up-plated to 4.5t, because there's so little payload otherwise.

BykerSands

nuttyarab wrote: »

The vehicle is a year old so yes still under warranty by Renault hence why its gone back to renault.
We do also run another vehicle but that is fully booked, it would financial suicide to have a vehicle just sitting there in case on a rare opportunity this was to happen, it costs us £48 a day alone to run each vehicle with insurances etc, this is why every year we sell and by a new one to keep us on the road.
My issue is not with getting a replacement box its the fact that its sat there for over a week and only had photos taken of it!

You bought a secondhand one if its a year old bought just before Christmas.

nuttyarab

The horse box was converted into a horsebox when we brought it, its only had a dozen horses inside so the extra weight is not the issue here and not forgetting the extremely low mileage for a gearbox to deemed useless.
Like I have said in previous posts my issue is the fact that it has taken over a week and yet it still hadnt been touched

bigjl

BeenThroughItAll wrote: »

I'm not forgetting that - but the manufacturer doesn't design the vehicle to permanently run close to or at MGVW... And I live half a mile from a horsebox builder - they're not anything like as lightweight bodied as an out of the manufacturer-stable Luton van. Add in a couple of horses at .5-.75T each, and bingo. MGVW nearly all the time...

Not really true because all Ambulance Van conversions sit extremely close to their weight limits.

I believe it was Two Shires who years ago got their sums wrong and all their fleet was overweight with a Patient, family member, two crew and a full tank of diesel, initial solution was to run with no more than half a tank of diesel.

Not sure what they did with the vehicles in the end but I know that the LAS loaned then about 20 LDV V8's to help them out for about a year.

The LAS LDV's were replated as 3.55T but there was no difference to suspension and brakes, the brakes were best described as marginal on a good day.

The first modular Mercedes in London were on the 416 chassis (2.7d)

The next lot were on the 515 then the 516 (both 2.2d), I don't know what the new ones are but they have started to use the 3.0 Diesel engine so more likely to be the 519 as they are all Auto and fitted with air suspension.

To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if damage was caused by the previous owner driving the vehicle in too high a gear when loaded.

That was when the Masters I drove used to rattle worse. Most of them started to rattle within the first few months. The OP has a whine at speed, which makes me thinkers case bearing or wheel bearing.

With the description of the noise and the fact the OP thinks the gearbox was photographed externally perhaps there is evidence of the failure or excess heat visible?

In my experince running at close to a vehicle maximum capacity for long periods of time is not a huge problem. As mentioned above front line Van conversions are heavily laden from the word go, often Trust Policy reflects that which is why only the Pat and a NoK may be routinely carried.

Using a fwd Van heavily loaded might not be the best idea as the gearbox is not going to be particularly heavy duty, perhaps even having its origins in a car?

I wonder if the box is related to the one they fitted to the Renault 25? Wasn't that box used on some Lotus' and some GT40 Kitcars?

AdrianC

bigjl wrote: »

I wonder if the box is related to the one they fitted to the Renault 25? Wasn't that box used on some Lotus' and some GT40 Kitcars?

The UN1 is long dead now - last vehicle to use it was the Lotus Esprit, which stopped production in 2004.

The OP hasn't even told us if theirs is a FWD or RWD Master, though. Both are available as 3.5t. FWD would mean lower load floor, of course, and have a higher payload.

BykerSands

bigjl wrote: »

Not really true because all Ambulance Van conversions sit extremely close to their weight limits. That's probably why they all whined and had spare gearboxes on hand.

I believe it was Two Shires who years ago got their sums wrong and all their fleet was overweight with a Patient, family member, two crew and a full tank of diesel, initial solution was to run with no more than half a tank of diesel.

Not sure what they did with the vehicles in the end but I know that the LAS loaned then about 20 LDV V8's to help them out for about a year.

The LAS LDV's were replaced as 3.55T but there was no difference to suspension and brakes, the brakes were best described as marginal on a good day. Do you mean replated with ministry plates? If so they must have done something to the suspension as you can't just run it over the manufactures plated weight

The first modular Mercedes in London were on the 416 chassis (2.7d)

The next lot were on the 515 then the 516 (both 2.2d), I don't know what the new ones are but they have started to use the 3.0 Diesel engine so more likely to be the 519 as they are all Auto and fitted with air suspension.

To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if damage was caused by the previous owner driving the vehicle in too high a gear when loaded.

That was when the Masters I drove used to rattle worse. Most of them started to rattle within the first few months. The OP has a whine at speed, which makes me thinkers case bearing or wheel bearing.
Yes, of course they rattled as they were never designed for the purpose they were used for.
With the description of the noise and the fact the OP thinks the gearbox was photographed externally perhaps there is evidence of the failure or excess heat visible?

In my experince running at close to a vehicle maximum capacity for long periods of time is not a huge problem. As mentioned above front line Van conversions are heavily laden from the word go, often Trust Policy reflects that which is why only the Pat and a NoK may be routinely carried.
Not a huge problem? Rattling, whining and needing a new gearbox?
Using a fwd Van heavily loaded might not be the best idea as the gearbox is not going to be particularly heavy duty, perhaps even having its origins in a car?

I wonder if the box is related to the one they fitted to the Renault 25? Wasn't that box used on some Lotus' and some GT40 Kitcars?

Very usuful if the OP ever wants an ambulance.