UK Labour Market Stats

Generali

ukcarper wrote: »

Just to say that finding a full time job is not always that easy,

Out of 31 million employees, 23 million are employed full time and the majority of part timers say that they are happy that way.

This picture that is presented of the workforce being made up largely of resentful, part time minimum wage-earning welfare bludgers simply isn't representative of the UK's economy.

Mistermeaner

Vocal minority effect?

ukcarper

Generali wrote: »

Out of 31 million employees, 23 million are employed full time and the majority of part timers say that they are happy that way.

This picture that is presented of the workforce being made up largely of resentful, part time minimum wage-earning welfare bludgers simply isn't representative of the UK's economy.

I didn't say that, but as I said for some people it is not that easy to find a full time job.

Generali

ukcarper wrote: »

I didn't say that, but as I said for some people it is not that easy to find a full time job.

My apologies, I didn't mean to imply that you did.

Forumnomics is pretty widespread though and there is this weird assumption that the UK is full of a majority scraping a living on the NMW, topped up by tax credits, and then a minority of plutocrats getting rich off the back of them.

The reality is that almost nobody earns the minimum wage, in fact about the same number earn the minimum wage as earn above (from memory and interpolating the data) about £80,000. The vast majority do pretty well for themselves.

ukcarper

"Around 2 in 5 (41%) of people on “zero-hours contracts” want more hours compared with 12% of other people in employment, though this could be linked to a higher proportion of “zero-hours contract” jobs being part-time. Looking in more detail, 12% of people on “zero-hours contracts” would like a different job with more hours compared with 2% for other people in employment (the remainder would like more hours in their current job or an additional job, see Figure 8)."

This is from ONS release sept 2015

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171776_415332.pdf

antrobus

ukcarper wrote: »

Just to say that finding a full time job is not always that easy,

Finding a full time job has never been "that easy".

ukcarper wrote: »

"Around 2 in 5 (41%) of people on “zero-hours contracts” want more hours compared with 12% of other people in employment, though this could be linked to a higher proportion of “zero-hours contract” jobs being part-time. Looking in more detail, 12% of people on “zero-hours contracts” would like a different job with more hours compared with 2% for other people in employment (the remainder would like more hours in their current job or an additional job, see Figure 8)."

This is from ONS release sept 2015

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171776_415332.pdf

Isn't that what I've already said?

I have, after all, downloaded the ONS ZH dataset, so it's not like I don't have the figures to hand.:)

Tromking

Generali wrote: »

My apologies, I didn't mean to imply that you did.

Forumnomics is pretty widespread though and there is this weird assumption that the UK is full of a majority scraping a living on the NMW, topped up by tax credits, and then a minority of plutocrats getting rich off the back of them.

The reality is that almost nobody earns the minimum wage, in fact about the same number earn the minimum wage as earn above (from memory and interpolating the data) about £80,000. The vast majority do pretty well for themselves.

I`m guessing you mean me?
Just trying to put some context into your OP that`s all.
The Government do seem pretty desperate to cut back on private sector workers and their in work benefits. I recall that the tax credits bill has ballooned to around £30 billion now and although Gideon attempted and failed to make some limited cuts to that bill, I guess there were too many fellow Tory MP`s telling him that there were too many workers in your booming private sector jobs led recovery who cannot live without reference to tax payers like myself.
I have a feeling that if a public sector employer purposely tailored its rates of pay and attendance patterns to suit the claiming of in work benefits you and the likes of Clapton would be all over it like a rash.
I think on balance I`d prefer our employment picture to that of France or Spain, but let`s not over egg the pudding eh?

ukcarper

antrobus wrote: »

Finding a full time job has never been "that easy".



Isn't that what I've already said?

I have, after all, downloaded the ONS ZH dataset, so it's not like I don't have the figures to hand.:)

I'd say the figures back up what I said.

antrobus

ukcarper wrote: »

I'd say the figures back up what I said.

I'd agree with you.

But that might be because you were simply repeating what I'd already said in post #83 above.:)

antrobus

Tromking wrote: »

....... I guess there were too many fellow Tory MP`s telling him that there were too many workers in your booming private sector jobs led recovery who cannot live without reference to tax payers like myself....

Err, no. It was the House of Lords that kiboshed that little proposal.

Tromking wrote: »

......I have a feeling that if a public sector employer purposely tailored its rates of pay and attendance patterns to suit the claiming of in work benefits you and the likes of Clapton would be all over it like a rash. ....

So, you are not aware of the fact that the use of ZHC is more prevalent in the public rather than the private sector?:rotfl: